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It's nothing strange that PT-91 might not meet all requirements, simply because it was never finished modernization due to budget problems in 1990's.

 

If funding would be provided, PT-91 would receive new hull and turret armor CAWA-2, cast turret would be most likely replaced with welded turret. Old stabilization would be replaced with new more precise one, and so on. It never happened.

 

However take a note that PT-91M does not use Polish Drawa or newer Radew (http://www.pcosa.com.pl/tl_files/produkty/systemy_kierowania_ogniem/pco_radew_en.pdf) FCS, but French Savan-15.

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If funding would be provided, PT-91 would receive new hull and turret armor CAWA-2, cast turret would be most likely replaced with welded turret. Old stabilization would be replaced with new more precise one, and so on. It never happened.

 

Producing a new tank with parts in common with T-72 essentially? :huh:

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Well, yes, there were several such projects in Poland. For example PT-2001.

 

OBRUM concept based on Leopard 2.

 

There was a second one from Bumar, including French turret based on that used by Leclerc.

 

However the original plan for PT-91 included replacement of original armor with our own CAWA-2, which offered better protection. However during replacement process, turret structure was damaged, so it was proposed to replace cast turret with welded turret. I suspect that PT-91 after such modification would look similiar to T-90A.

 

Hull armor replacement was simple and without any problems tough.

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Well, neither gun, nor FCS are Polish. FCS is French and gun is Slovakian.

 

Although it is true that Bumar/PHO should provide customer support tough they have problems with their administration.

 

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And below something my buddy made for ammunition, 120mm and 125mm.

 

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August 15 in Warsaw there will be large defilade performed due to Polish Armed Forces holliday. I will be there so I will make some photos, besides a defilade itself, there will be also a static display, so it will be possible to get inside vehicles, talk with soldiers and so on.

Among many displayed vehicles, there will be Leopard 2A4 tanks, Leopard 2A5 tanks, PT-91 tanks, APC Rosomak, SPH Krab, MLRS WR-40 Langusta and many more.

 


34th Armored Cavalry Brigade Leopard 2A5's, notice new polish camouflage pattern instead of classic german camouflage pattern.

http://polska-zbrojna.pl/home/articleshow/13300?t=Jedzie-sprzet-na-defilade

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Unfortunately no, Jarek lives in western Poland and have a lot of things to do with his job AFAIK. I live just 100+ kilometers from capital city and I study there so for me it is just 2 hours trip max in my car.

 

However there will be my other collegue who lives in Warsaw and is also a tank enthusiast, so we get in to contact and decided to visit static display first around 9-10 o'clock at the morning, before masses of children will make getting inside vehicles and chit chat with soldiers immposible, around 12 o'clock defilade should start.

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it is just 2 hours trip max in my car.

 

 

I am curious to know which car do you drive. I'll bet that this is a German or an US car. ;)

 

 

However there will be my other collegue who lives in Warsaw and is also a tank enthusiast,

 

A Tanknetter ?

 

 

before masses of children will make getting inside vehicles

 

 

I deeply agree, endless children hordes are a real scourge.

 

 

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Unfortunately no, Jarek lives in western Poland and have a lot of things to do with his job AFAIK. I live just 100+ kilometers from capital city and I study there so for me it is just 2 hours trip max in my car.

 

However there will be my other collegue who lives in Warsaw and is also a tank enthusiast, so we get in to contact and decided to visit static display first around 9-10 o'clock at the morning, before masses of children will make getting inside vehicles and chit chat with soldiers immposible, around 12 o'clock defilade should start.

 

Isn't 15th the day off?

 

I also think of going to Warsaw to see them Grate Steal Beasts, though waking up so early is a bitch.

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I am curious to know which car do you drive. I'll bet that this is a German or an US car. ;)

 

Well, Opel Vectra a German-US car! :D

 

I must say I really like it, good car although I need to probably do something with engine turbo, somewhat lacks power during longer trips.

 

 

A Tanknetter ?

 

Nope.

 

 

I deeply agree, endless children hordes are a real scourge.

 

You can bet, especially here in Poland where military is considered by majority of population as the most respected type of national service and is very popular.

 

 

@Urbanoid, you can eventually meet me, I will be at Agrykola in the morning as I said watching static display, PM me eventually for some contact capabilities. ;)

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Well, Opel Vectra a German-US car! :D

 

I must say I really like it, good car although I need to probably do something with engine turbo, somewhat lacks power during longer trips.

 

 

Mine is a black Volkswagen Golf Mk. 4 (1999 model), gasoline consumption while driving in town rises up to 11 litres per 100 km and in Belgium, the price of gasoline is 1.60 euros per litre...

 

It's a rather a heavy car for its class and the gearbox lacks of a sixth gear but, it's a very comfortable car, the seat comfort stays unmatched.

 

 

 

You can bet, especially here in Poland where military is considered by majority of population as the most respected type of national service and is very popular.

 

Notice that this kind of event is free of charge, there would be more visitors in museums if the admissions would be free.

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Mine is a black Volkswagen Golf Mk. 4 (1999 model), gasoline consumption while driving in town rises up to 11 litres per 100 km and in Belgium, the price of gasoline is 1.60 euros per litre...

 

It's a rather a heavy car for its class and the gearbox lacks of a sixth gear but, it's a very comfortable car, the seat comfort stays unmatched.

 

 

I had VW Golf 3, don't remember which year manufactured, yeah nice cars. However I drive exclusively diesels. Just don't like gasoline engines. Diesels are better, especially that I drive a lot.

 

 

Notice that this kind of event is free of charge, there would be more visitors in museums if the admissions would be free.

 

Ha, but here in Poland we actually have such events where enter to museums is 100% free, event is called "Noc Muzeów" or Museums Night. I am actually pissed, because I could not visit during this even Museum of the Polish Army, which was a pity, but exams are exams, more important and so on. :(

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Well, Opel Vectra a German-US car! :D

 

I must say I really like it, good car although I need to probably do something with engine turbo, somewhat lacks power during longer trips.

 

 

Mine is a black Volkswagen Golf Mk. 4 (1999 model), gasoline consumption while driving in town rises up to 11 litres per 100 km and in Belgium, the price of gasoline is 1.60 euros per litre...

 

It's a rather a heavy car for its class and the gearbox lacks of a sixth gear but, it's a very comfortable car, the seat comfort stays unmatched.

 

 

 

You can bet, especially here in Poland where military is considered by majority of population as the most respected type of national service and is very popular.

 

Notice that this kind of event is free of charge, there would be more visitors in museums if the admissions would be free.

 

 

I'm driving a Golf 4 1.6 at the moment, nice ride.

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Small bonus before the defilade, two videos, one from the old bad WarPac times, and second from 2008 showing other more significant defilades.

 

 

Large defilades are not performed in Poland each year, but from time to time. So it's really nice that this year we will have a large defilade.

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Oh, so old, so bad Warsaw Pact times, so dark, in the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie...

 

Note for first video - it is great Millenium Parade, in the 1000 Anniversary of the State of Poland. From 2:39 there could be seen historical units (erm, reconstruction), which someone might find interesting.

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Oh, so old, so bad Warsaw Pact times, so dark, in the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie...

 

:P

 

Well, they hade good sides, like large military parades. ^_^

 

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Ok so a few words for start.

15th was a great day in Warsaw, weather was good and atmosphere was great. Honestly I did not expecting so many people, and this ended up with few minor problems simply because it was diffcult to find a good spot to make photos, both in case of defilade and also static display, in case of display itself, there was a lot of families with little children that just were everywhere on vehicles.

All displayed vehicles were open however for some reasons there was order for soldiers to ask for not doing interior photos, pity but order is order.

So let's start shall we?

A historical theme, there were 3 Renault FT light tanks used by Poland during interwar period, and also polish 7TP light tank developed during interwar period. A true rarity.




And some of the modern equipment, Leopard 2A5 tanks, SPH Krab and APC Rosomak.








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Some of my observations. All vehicles that were developed originally on Soviet Union are incredibly cramped inside, ergonomics are poor if any exist. On the other hand newly designed vehicles in Poland or purchased from our NATO allies are very comfortable. It's easy to get in and get out from Leopard 2 tanks, and it is very comfortable inside, still you need to watch inside to not hit some internal components, might hurt you!

From soldiers I talked with, there is only one ergonomic problem with Leopard 2's, and it's minor one. Because loader is responsible for radio's and operate them, an because radio's are placed in the turret rear, he might have problems to reach them during movement when main gun is stabilized because of that huge deflector for propelant charge stub cases that is attached to the main gun. Other than that, no problems.

SPH Krab is huge outside, and huge inside! A very modern vehicle also, you get inside and there are multifunction flat displays for gunner and commander. Overall it is also comfortable to get inside and outside through larger rear hull hatch.

APC Rosomak again, also very comfortable, I was actually surprised how large is space for dismounts in the rear (of course if you are not wearing ballistic vest and other stuff, and vehicle is largery empty, tough there is large storage area behind dismounts seats.

Interesting thing I noticed is that gunner and commander controls for the Hitfist-30P turret and Mk44 autocannon, are very similiar in concept of working mechanism to Challenger 2's turret controls. These are not joysticks that can move, there are small control knobs on them so you actually control turret traverse and main armament elevation by using thumbs.

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