Polish Armoured Vehicles And Their Modernizations.

[Markus Becker]

How very strange given what other museums routinely call aircraft restauration. 

Making an identical copy of part that is wearing out is nothing compared to the plane-cromancy. 

[On the way]

On 1/13/2024 at 6:59 AM, Damian said:

Recently I go in to contact with guys from MPTW Muzeum in Warsaw, I am supporting them here in social media, and perhap gonna visit them soon.

Meanwhile a PT-91 in Ukraine.

This is a lter series PT-91, either PT-91MA or PT-91MA1 which means it is rebuild and modernized T-72M or T-72M1, however it is uncertain if modernized T-72M received T-72M1 turret during that upgrade. To be frank, incremental upgrades to PT-91's are not very well known also in Poland in case of publicly avaiable knowledge.

Any news on PT-91 Twardy performance under the Ukraine Army? Heard it was used against the Russians in zaporizhzhia. Wonder if it was really better then other T-72 derivatives.

[Damian]

4 hours ago, On the way said:

Any news on PT-91 Twardy performance under the Ukraine Army? Heard it was used against the Russians in zaporizhzhia. Wonder if it was really better then other T-72 derivatives.

PT-91 is just improved T-72M1 with better protection, mobility and fire control system with thermal sight. It's nothing special really, just a good upgrade for it's time.

Edited January 17, 2024 by Damian

[Damian]

Photos from Nowa Dęba. This is from gunnery certification of Polish and American crews. They were certified using Tank Table VI. Polish crews used their M1A1FEP's, and American crews used their M1A2SEPv2's.

Edited January 23, 2024 by Damian

[Damian]

Here are some of my photos from Nowa Dęba Training Area.

[sunday]

Nice pics!

[Perun]

cool pics 🙂

[urbanoid]

Parliament of Worst Korea will vote on a 90 trillion won (USD ~22,5 billion) loan for Poland for arms sales.

[urbanoid]

 

[Damian]

This week, in Poznań at Wojskowe Zakłady Motoryzacyjne, Regional Maintnance Center for M1 tanks and M88 armored recovery vehicles had been officialy open.

At the moment WZM is gaining competences in Level 1 and 2, this means receiving necessary technical documentation, maintnance capabilities and tools.

In longer term, WZM should receive more levels of competences.

Level 3 and 4 means higher level of repairs, through replacement of primary modules, as well as refurbishment capabilities.

Level 5 and 6 means general renovation, use of replacement parts produced by polish manufacturers, and production of spare parts, either produced under US license or developed in Poland.

Level 7 and 8 means participation of polish arms industry in cooperation with GDLS and other US companies in development of upgrades for M1 tank, procurement of these upgrade packages, and also development of modifications and modernizations unique for Polish Army tank fleet. Final level also means production of M1 tanks in Poland within coproduction program with US.

@Stuart Galbraith@Markus Becker@sunday@alejandro_@urbanoid@Manic Moran

[sunday]

Thanks!

[Markus Becker]

T(h)anks! 

How long until Poland can reach Level 5 and 6? 

[Damian]

No idea, this was not publicly told.

[urbanoid]

Thanks, nice to see that not only someone thought of acquiring such capabilities, but also that it happened so quickly.

Edited February 23, 2024 by urbanoid

[alejandro_]

Thanks Damian for the update, those Abrams in Cold War style cammo look great.

[Damian]

So HSW allowed us to present photos of the new turret system for the 120mm Rak autoloaded mortar system. It have not only a new turret shell, but also redesigned autoloader that is simpler, more reliable and have doubled the speed of loading cycle.

More info in our article, but it is in Polish, so translator is needed.

https://defence24.pl/przemysl/wiecej-raka-w-raku-nowa-wersja-polskiego-mozdzierza-analiza?fbclid=IwAR1GAGE23V2f0CIx7OEwE76qIapLBuWo1IjD0EhRZGnEYFII8u4f3CGRfQE

[Perun]

it is not tanks but it is about Poland:

The Polish Ministry of National Defence has signed a $2.5 billion deal with the U.S. government to acquire the Integrated Battle Command System, or IBCS, to synchronize the nation’s air- and missile-defense weapons under development.

Deliveries are scheduled for the years 2024 to 2031. Poland intends to use the system to operate its Patriot missile launchers, which are part of the Wisla medium-range, air-defense program, and the Narew short-range equivalent, which relies on MBDA’s Common Anti-Air Modular Missile, or CAMM.

The acquired systems will be sed for six Wisla batteries and 23 Narew batteries, the country’s defense ministry said in a statement

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/02/29/poland-signs-25-billion-deal-for-us-air-defense-software-hub/

[Damian]

2 hours ago, Perun said:

it is not tanks but it is about Poland:

The Polish Ministry of National Defence has signed a $2.5 billion deal with the U.S. government to acquire the Integrated Battle Command System, or IBCS, to synchronize the nation’s air- and missile-defense weapons under development.

Deliveries are scheduled for the years 2024 to 2031. Poland intends to use the system to operate its Patriot missile launchers, which are part of the Wisla medium-range, air-defense program, and the Narew short-range equivalent, which relies on MBDA’s Common Anti-Air Modular Missile, or CAMM.

The acquired systems will be sed for six Wisla batteries and 23 Narew batteries, the country’s defense ministry said in a statement

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/02/29/poland-signs-25-billion-deal-for-us-air-defense-software-hub/

Yes, also within offset we acquired license for producing KET APFSDS and M1147 AMP 120x570mm ammunition for tanks, and modern automated production line for 30x173mm APFSDS and HE ammunition for Mk44S 30mm autocannons.

[Perun]

Saab Signs $1.2-Billion Carl Gustaf Order With Poland

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2024/03/06/saab-carl-gustaf-poland/?expand_article=1

and this:

Poland to Launch First Military Satellites in 2025

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2024/03/05/poland-launch-military-satellites/

 

 

Poland really invests in their Armed forces

[shep854]

26 minutes ago, Perun said:

Saab Signs $1.2-Billion Carl Gustaf Order With Poland

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2024/03/06/saab-carl-gustaf-poland/?expand_article=1

and this:

Poland to Launch First Military Satellites in 2025

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2024/03/05/poland-launch-military-satellites/

 

 

Poland really invests in their Armed forces

But what's getting mortgaged?  

[urbanoid]

31 minutes ago, shep854 said:

But what's getting mortgaged?  

Oh, the deficits and debt will rise surely, but it's on a relatively low level compared to EU average  - ~40% according to domestic methodology and 50% according to the EU one, compared to EU average of over 80 and eurozone average of over 90.

Countries that are scared shitless tend to invest in their defense.

[sunday]

2 hours ago, Perun said:

Poland to Launch First Military Satellites in 2025

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2024/03/05/poland-launch-military-satellites/

But Poland cannot into space!

 

 

[Damian]

8 hours ago, shep854 said:

But what's getting mortgaged?  

Besides what @urbanoid said, this is investment in security. And it's cheaper than eventuall war and destruction of entire country. We got through that in past, so lesson learned is, that investment in Armed Forces is a necessity.

[Hal]

1 hour ago, Damian said:

Besides what @urbanoid said, this is investment in security. And it's cheaper than eventuall war and destruction of entire country. We got through that in past, so lesson learned is, that investment in Armed Forces is a necessity.

Well said.

[Mighty_Zuk]

1 hour ago, Damian said:

Besides what @urbanoid said, this is investment in security. And it's cheaper than eventuall war and destruction of entire country. We got through that in past, so lesson learned is, that investment in Armed Forces is a necessity.

Precisely. If anyone ever doubts or questions defense investment as an idea, just ask them if they got car insurance.