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Polish Armoured Vehicles And Their Modernizations.


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Didn't the Turks recently reveal a locally developed 1500hp engine?


They have started doing bench tests, but will be available by the time Poland makes a decision? 

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"Wilk" program will be concluded closer to 2030 than sooner, so this gives Turkey time to complete BATU engine.

When I briefly talked with deputy minister Gryglas, he confirmed that there is desire to produce modern engines, including ones for tanks in Poland.

In such case both Republic of Korea with DV27K engine and Turkey with BATU engine have a good chance to be suplier, as we want to get away from MTU. Recent experiences of Republic of Korea with MTU is negative, K9 SPH sale for one of Arab countries was blocked, when MTU was going to stop supply engines for K9's.

This is dangerous practice, and we need more reliable partner.

There is of course more reasons.

However time will tell if these plans will be successfull.

 

Meanwhile 9th Armored Cavalry Brigade with its PT-91 tanks is preparing for next tour in Latvia.

 

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39 minutes ago, rohala said:

I assume the unreliability of Germany/MTU is related to export prospects, because I don't see there being any issue for procurement for the Polish armed forces

Export + politics. We want to be a sovereign state, so independence in terms of arms manufacturing and arms life cycle is quiet important thing.

Let's assume we have a disagreement with Germany, and we have a lot of disagreements just now. How much we can be certain that there won't be any problems with providing spares for example?

World is not so nice place anymore these days, as it was 10 years ago.

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More photos of Borsuk from Nowa Dęba.

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It have both ramp and door in the ramp.

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Inside there is acces to unmanned ZSSW-30 turret.

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https://www.defence24.pl/borsuk-na-dragonie-21

Some more informations about Borsuk IFV. 3 vehicles were built so far, a pre prototype (model), 1st prototype which was used for ballistic tests, and 2nd prototype currently tested. Polish goverment so far invested 75 mln PLN in to the project, which translates to ~20 mln USD.
 

Through entire 2021 vehicle will go through initial factory trails. In 2022 it will go through state/military qualification trails, if successfull, 2023/2024 contract will be signed and manufacturing phase will commence.

It is also confirmed by HSW, that they are working on heavy IFV, so called "Heavy Borsuk", but at the moment no details had been provided.

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On 7/2/2021 at 2:59 PM, Simon Tan said:

Yet another tank type? 

No, replacement for T-72 tanks.

So either we will use combination of M1, Leopard 2 and PT-91 or only M1 and Leopard 2.

We will see perhaps this september during MSPO.

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1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

It would make a lot of sense to cascade the PT91's to the Balts, or even better to the Ukrainians. Which is why it probably wont happen. :)

At the moment most likely, 250 M1's will replace same number of T-72's, which will be sent to reserve. One battalion of T-72's and 4 battalions of PT-91's will be left in active service till Wilk program won't be completed, tough we can expect that Wilk = more M1's.

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Damian, a while ago you mentioned in twitter that PT-91 engine manufacturer had gone bankrupt. Can you confirm it? What is going to happen to the fleet if it is the case? Maybe look for another supplier/use stocks/cannibalise? 

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16 hours ago, alejandro_ said:

Damian, a while ago you mentioned in twitter that PT-91 engine manufacturer had gone bankrupt. Can you confirm it? What is going to happen to the fleet if it is the case? Maybe look for another supplier/use stocks/cannibalise? 

It didn't bankrupt, it was destroyed on purpose by corrupt decision makers, let's call it creative destruction of competition.

At the moment V-46-6, S-12U and S-1000 engines are serviced by WZM in Poznań. They are also buying engines from Serbia and modify them for local needs. But obviously this is suboptimal solution. I would not be surprised if there is or might be some cooperation with Ukraine.

14 hours ago, Simon Tan said:

HSW is bust? Oh dear. 

Not HSW... HSW never manufactured engines. V-46-6 engines and its modifications were manufactured by PZL Wola.

At the moment engine service is made by WZM Poznań. There are ideas to estabilish production there as well.

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2 hours ago, Ssnake said:

By the time that the new engine factory delivers low issue products, will there still be a PT-91 fleet?

Doubtfull. The idea is to produce new engines. Various options were considered, license from MTU, maybe other producers.

I talked about this briefly at Twitter with deputy minister Gryglas, he confirmed that indeed goverment sees the capability gap, and various options are under consideration.

Good thing is, that Honeywell have factory in Poland, so in theory AGT1500's can be both serviced in Poland and perhaps even manufactured.

Same for main guns. HSW signed contract with Rheinmetall to manufacture Rh120/L44 (L44A1?) barrel and maybe even a complete gun, but without recoil mechanism. If so, then its possible to produce also M256A1/L44.

So options are avaiable, it more depends on politics and money.

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So it seems KMW withdraws from MSPO 2021. As I heard reason is that they do not see any perspective on the Polish market, after decision was made to buy M1A2SEPv3's.

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MSPO 2021 starts soon. I will be there for all 4 days. But before this happens, some sneakpeak showing preparations.

On the last video we can see a modernized BMP-1, perhaps it's WZM proposal?

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Also the new version of the LPG chassis with Rak 120mm turret module will be shown. New LPG is like 4th generation of this lightweight chassis, there is some work done by HSW to unify new LPG with new Borsuk IFV.

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And some 3d graphics of the improved LPG chassis in various configurations.

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