The Holocaust Just Got More Shocking

[Mk 1]

About the brothels: Coerced? Have heard that about the Japanese but the Germans?

 

 

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_military_brothels_in_World_War_II

 

 

 

According to records, at least 34,140 European women were forced to serve as prostitutes during the German occupation of their own countries along with female prisoners of concentration camp brothels.^[1] In many cases in Eastern Europe, the women involved were kidnapped on the streets of occupied cities during German military and police round ups called łapanka or rafle.^[3][4]

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According to an exposé by the Polish Wprost magazine,^[5] the women forced into sexual slavery by the Nazi German authorities sometimes tried to escape; in one such instance, a group of Polish and Soviet women imprisoned at a German military brothel located in Norway escaped in 1941. They found refuge in the local Lutheran Church which offered them asylum.^[5] The women were raped by up to 32 men per day; the visiting soldiers were allocated 15 minutes each at a nominal cost of 3 Reichsmarks per "session" between the hours of 2 p.m. and 8.30 p.m.^[5] The women who were visibly pregnant were sometimes released, but would not go back to their families, so as not to shame them.^[5]

 

Footnotes:

1. Nanda Herbermann; Hester Baer; Elizabeth Roberts Baer (2000). The Blessed Abyss: Inmate #6582 in Ravensbruck Concentration Camp for Women (Google Books). Detroit: Wayne State University Press. pp. 33–34. ISBN 978-0-8143-2920-7. Retrieved January 12, 2011.

 

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3. (in English) various authors; Leon Yudkin (1993). "Narrative Perspectives on Holocaust Literature". In Leon Yudkin. (ed.). Hebrew Literature in the Wake of the Holocaust. Fairleigh Dickinson University Press. pp. 13–32. ISBN 978-0-8386-3499-8.

 

4. (in English) Lenten, Ronit (2000). Israel and the Daughters of the Shoah: Reoccupying the Territories of Silence. Berghahn Books. pp. 33–34. ISBN 978-1-57181-775-4.

 

5. Cezary Gmyz, Wprost magazine (Number 17/18/2007), "Seksualne Niewolnice III Rzeszy". 2007-04-22. Archived from the original on May 13, 2008. Retrieved 2016-02-14. (Sex slaves of the Third Reich), pp. 1–3 via Internet Archive (in Polish). Retrieved 30 October 2015.

 

 

^{Caption: Łapanka, 1941 kidnapping raid in Warsaw's Żoliborz district. Selected young women were later forced into military brothels}

 

 

^-Mark

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[KV7]

He also made a bg deal of Dresden death count and promotes the idea it was a war crime IIRC. AFAIR his death count (initially up to 250 000) was debunked some time ago already and his main source was proven to be a forgery.

 

As for archives, IIRC there is also strong suspicion he "disappeared" some documents during his archive visits.

Dresden (and the attacks on civilians in Japan) were war crimes, though it does not at all detract from the severity of the greater crime of the Holocaust, which cannot even be given some military justification.

 

Now if one invokes some rationalisations on the basis of 'strategic' considerations, then there is some inconsistency in then getting very excited about alleged chemical weapons use in Syria.

Edited May 16, 2019 by KV7

[RETAC21]

 

He also made a bg deal of Dresden death count and promotes the idea it was a war crime IIRC. AFAIR his death count (initially up to 250 000) was debunked some time ago already and his main source was proven to be a forgery.

 

As for archives, IIRC there is also strong suspicion he "disappeared" some documents during his archive visits.

Dresden (and the attacks on civilians in Japan) were war crimes, though it does not at all detract from the severity of the greater crime of the Holocaust, which cannot even be given some military justification.

 

Now if one invokes some rationalisations on the basis of 'strategic' considerations, then there is some inconsistency in then getting very excited about alleged Chemical weapons use in Syria.

 

 

Dresden was not an attack on civilians anymore than an attack on any given city was

[MiloMorai]

RAF BC gets a bad rap for Dresden but the Americans were also involved. The first of the 4 attacks (2 American, 2 RAF BC) was to have been made by American heavy bombers but was cancelled due to weather.

[R011]

The bombing of cities - transportation hubs and centres of war production - was legal under existing international law which provided for the bombardment and attack of defended cities.

Edited May 15, 2019 by R011

[Stuart Galbraith]

RAF BC gets a bad rap for Dresden but the Americans were also involved. The first of the 4 attacks (2 American, 2 RAF BC) was to have been made by American heavy bombers but was cancelled due to weather.

 

To be fair, they DID target a railroad yard. But one that was teeming with civilians at the time, and the attack IIRC was dispersed partially due to weather, making it something of a moot point. USAAF bombing was no more accurate than RAF bombing when they were bombing through cloud as you know.

 

Harris got it hung round his neck, but if David Irving is to be believed, he actually went to the air ministry to question the necessity of it. Not out of any concern for Dresden, he didnt see anything there worth risking aircrews lives on a long trip. He was overruled.

 

I do find it faintly amusing when Russians hoist this old petard though. Dont they know that Dresden was on a list of targets that the Soviet requested were bombed? If it was a war crime, and I disagree, but if it was, there were as many guilty as head's of state in that war.

Edited May 16, 2019 by Stuart Galbraith