Wot Part Deux

[FlyingCanOpener]

- tank horn will most likely not return

http://ftr-wot.blogs...02/1022013.html

The two things I saw that caught my eye were 1) they're going to nerf the derp M4 and Pz IV and 2) the upcoming medium Soviet premium will be a prototype of the T-44. The former is long overdue and the latter has me both excited and worried. I'm excited that they'll finally be introducing more high tier premium mediums. I'm worried because that blog mentioned this premium T-44 would have an 85mm gun. The 85mm guns in the Soviet tree right now are all far too weak to be used on a tier 8.

 

It bet it'll be like the Panzer V/M10 in that it'll be a fast-reloading DPM machine that you'll need to spit gold to do a lot of damage.

[FlyingCanOpener]

- Q: "What will the T57 nerf be like?" A: "Sudden and horrible"

 

*cries*

[Skywalkre]

I understand how the sighting system works in this game but it still annoys me. On Siegfried Line I come over that crest in the north to spot 2 heavies capping our base. That puts me... 200 m from them? I can't spot one, tracked, and then killed. Given what we can see in the game how in the world do I not spot a high tier heavy with horrible camo ratings at 200 m with no real vegetation in the way?

[Skywalkre]

- tank horn will most likely not return

http://ftr-wot.blogs...02/1022013.html

The two things I saw that caught my eye were 1) they're going to nerf the derp M4 and Pz IV and 2) the upcoming medium Soviet premium will be a prototype of the T-44. The former is long overdue and the latter has me both excited and worried. I'm excited that they'll finally be introducing more high tier premium mediums. I'm worried because that blog mentioned this premium T-44 would have an 85mm gun. The 85mm guns in the Soviet tree right now are all far too weak to be used on a tier 8.

 

It bet it'll be like the Panzer V/M10 in that it'll be a fast-reloading DPM machine that you'll need to spit gold to do a lot of damage.

Eh... I hope they don't try that. The Panther-M10 works because it's more mobile than a normal Panther with what seemed like better armor*. I'm not seeing how a T-44 proto will have those characteristics. Also, the best Soviet 85mm is barely better than the gun on the Panther-M10.

 

Oh well, they're supposed to be adding high tier premium mediums for most of the nations (if not all?) so there will likely be decent alternatives if they screw up the Soviet one.

 

 

* Not confirmed, but given the amount of gold flying on the test server I was bouncing shots like crazy... which doesn't happen at any time in a normal Panther against normal rounds.

[Max H]

...what seemed like better armor*.

 

* Not confirmed, but given the amount of gold flying on the test server I was bouncing shots like crazy... which doesn't happen at any time in a normal Panther against normal rounds.

 

Armour models are identical according to gamemodels3d, other than the lack of cupola. The sheet metal addons don't count as spaced armour. Oddly enough I noticed it had identical view range, even without the commanders cupola

[Skywalkre]

Maybe the armor homogenisation factor is different?

 

Speaking of, is the above still in the game? Some of the last posts of the WoTArmory led me to believe it was when certain tanks were much more armored than the math said they would be. Still, it's been a couple months since they closed down.

[bojan]

Premium T-44 will be tier 7, ZiS-S-53 gun (around 120mm pen) stock, 75/60/40 hull and 115/75/60 turret armor.

[Skywalkre]

Premium T-44 will be tier 7

I stopped right there. If that's the case there's no reason to get it if one is looking to replace another tier 8 premium as a farming vehicle. They need to introduce more tier 8 premium mediums along the lines of the 59.

 

Also, if that's the gun being used the Panther-M10 is still a better choice.

Edited February 12, 2013 by Skywalkre

[Marek Tucan]

I would say (speaking as a player) that there is nothing magical about Tier 8 and that it is pretty loaded with Premiums at the moment. Tier 7 Premium with reduced matchmaking would be logical (and thanks to mobility I expect from the thing I guess it would be easy to outmaneuve things you cannot penetrate frontally).

 

compared to Panther/M10, less penetration, more Alpha...

 

After all, Type at Tier 8 also doesn¨t have that fenomenal gun in comparison to other Tier 8 tanks.

[Max H]

I would say (speaking as a player) that there is nothing magical about Tier 8 and that it is pretty loaded with Premiums at the moment.

 

It's not as good for grinding though, as AT 15A and the warcrime show

 

 

Had a good game in my GW-100 yesterday on serene coast (although we almost ran out of time ). Hit an M103 who thought he was in arty cover for 1000dmg The_chieftain's right, tracks are the most important bit of an arty

Edited February 12, 2013 by Max H

[Colin]

Elited and sold my JP last night, great TD and will miss it. Focusing on the M12 and SU-8 for the moment, as well the Comet, Black Prince and Tiger II. finding the Type T-34 rather a poor performer.

[Max H]

Secret developer's tool leaked!

On the let side, SerB can select a nickname of the player he wishes to "take care of" - on the right side he has following options:

 

- put the player to a noob team

- put the player to the bottom of the team

- make the player play against pros

 

- make the shells disappear (?)

- no penetrations

- reduce XP income

- reduce credit income

- make the player stuck

- when playing arty, put the player on city maps

- Malinovka forever

 

And on the right side:

- damage dealt (reduced by 2, 3, 4....)

- chance of fire (50 percent plus...)

- chance of player module getting critted (the ticker under it means "crit your gun module first")

- chance of player's crewmember dying (the ticker under it means "kill the gunner first")

 

And under it, the ultimate ticker:

"Remove player from this list automatically when he pays for premium account"

http://ftr-wot.blogspot.cz/2013/02/the-real-reason-for-ghost-shells.html

[Skywalkre]

I would say (speaking as a player) that there is nothing magical about Tier 8 and that it is pretty loaded with Premiums at the moment.

The point, as Max H mentioned, is earning potential. Currently tier 8s are the best by far with the Type 59 by some accounts being the best credit earner in the game.

 

After all, Type at Tier 8 also doesn¨t have that fenomenal gun in comparison to other Tier 8 tanks.

It doesn't, but that's because WG continues to release new vehicles which ignore old standards for penetration and damage from when the game was released. Compared to the old tanks (T-44, P2, Pershing) the gun on the Type 59 is phenomenal when viewed in total with the other characteristics of the tank (auto-bounce turret and mobility). As such, while most premiums languish near the bottom in win % compared to same tier and type vehicles the Type 59 was once challenging the top spot for tier 8 mediums (as of the end of last year as shown in Snib's stats posts*).

 

If WG releases more mediums but they're lower tier and not capable of making credits like the 59 they're not solving anything. I'll pass on them just like I passed on the Panther-M10. Either fix the 59 so it can be sold again or release more tier 8s so there's choices.

 

 

* Sadly, he's no longer updating any of them. It's a shame as no other source I've found did as thorough a job of breaking down the numbers as he did.

[Harold Jones]

I just plain suck at the type 59, so much so that I only run it when more or less forced to. I much prefer running the Lowe or M6 heavies and lately I've been running that Super Pershing a fair amount to help level my T69 crew.

[Max H]

As such, while most premiums languish near the bottom in win % compared to same tier and type vehicles the Type 59 was once challenging the top spot for tier 8 mediums (as of the end of last year as shown in Snib's stats posts*).

 

It does have a better gun than the M26 and equivalent to the T44, which begs the question of why exactly it needs premium MM. And brilliant armour against the guns on T7's. From wot-news.com, over last 2 weeks from sunday morning, WR for mediums in descending order:

• T-34-2: 51.91%
  
• Centurion1: 51.89%
  
• T69: 51.53%
  
• T44: 50.15%
  
• Type 59: 49.93%
  
• P2: 48.97%
  
• T26E4: 48.57%
  
• M26: 47.58%
  
• Overall: 49.45%
  

In green are those +1% compared to average WR, red is -1% compared to average

[Skywalkre]

As such, while most premiums languish near the bottom in win % compared to same tier and type vehicles the Type 59 was once challenging the top spot for tier 8 mediums (as of the end of last year as shown in Snib's stats posts*).

 

It does have a better gun than the M26 and equivalent to the T44, which begs the question of why exactly it needs premium MM.

Great point. Get rid of the favorable MM and put it back on sale. I'm wondering how many would still play it when they're seeing tier 10s in 1/3 of their games. I wouldn't mind. I played the T-44, which is about on par, under the same circumstances.

 

From wot-news.com, over last 2 weeks from sunday morning, WR for mediums in descending order:

• T-34-2: 51.91%
  
• Centurion1: 51.89%
  
• T69: 51.53%
  
• T44: 50.15%
  
• Type 59: 49.93%
  
• P2: 48.97%
  
• T26E4: 48.57%
  
• M26: 47.58%
  
• Overall: 49.45%
  

In green are those +1% compared to average WR, red is -1% compared to average

Is there a way to just see tier 8 mediums like above or did you have to go through the list of everything to get those numbers? I run NoScript and rarely use permissions. As such, that website is a mess for me.

[Skywalkre]

finding the Type T-34 rather a poor performer.

I enjoyed it. Solid numbers with it but no outstanding games.

 

What's been a letdown for me is the Type 58. I played the T-34-85 back before they revised it and I'm really missing the old gun (think it had 175 pen and 300 dmg). This new one they have on it is a bit underwhelming (128 pen? that makes the 88 on the German tanks look impressive). I'm having to use far more gold rounds than I like just to be competitive.

[Colin]

It might improve as crew skills go up, right now around 80%, I find you don't see a tank true potentiel till the crew is in the 90%+

 

Currently I find the acceleration non-existent, lack of depression and the 57mm seems nerfed to what I recall or it could be the tiering it gets.

Edited February 12, 2013 by Colin

[Skywalkre]

This recent stretch of playing these Chinese tanks has led me to believe 90 is the magical number as well. On top of that it's ultimately not much better than having a 475 crew like in my T34. A lot of the secondary skills are ultimately very minor in the buffs they give. The biggest factor is who's behind the controls.

[Max H]

Is there a way to just see tier 8 mediums like above or did you have to go through the list of everything to get those numbers? I run NoScript and rarely use permissions. As such, that website is a mess for me.

 

Not that I'm aware of, I did sort the overall results by tier to make it easier to find T8's though. The overall score I calculated myself for just T8 mediums

[Skywalkre]

From the latest translated dev notes. Bolding is mine.

 

devs are generally satistfied with the T-54, but if the big re-work of all tanks happens, it'll get a massive overhaul

/sigh

[Skywalkre]

PSA for those who aren't aware of the changes to Erlenberg.

 

In olden days the south was all about that fight at the corner of the small hill and road junction. The field used to be fairly flat and suicide to any tank that was out in it.

 

Not anymore. The terrain is much more varied now. There's a house south of the above mentioned corner that both teams can get to fairly easy. Whoever wins the fight at this house gains the ability to hit their enemy from a flank rather than both teams playing peekaboo like in the past.

 

Win that fight at the house, win the south.

 

Sadly, no one apparently knows about this except the other team from my own experience.

 

/sigh (I'm doing this a lot lately)

[Max H]

Not that they've been considering a general rebalancing for a while or anything.

This I like, yet more efforts to equalise tiers.

- it's completely possible that in next patches, the same thing as happens to the German light tanks in 8.4 will happen to the light tanks of the other nations (eg. T-50, Chaffee and others getting pushed one tier up)

[Skywalkre]

Not that they've been considering a general rebalancing for a while or anything.

At this point I'm not sure they even know what they're working on...

[Harold Jones]

Apparently Pro WoT http://worldoftanks.com/news/2026-wargamings-profession-esports-league/ They can do what they want with their money but I don't want pro WoT shitting up the regular game.