bojan Posted January 30, 2013 Posted January 30, 2013 They are not talking about nerfing T57 in 8.5, they are talking about not heving enough data for any rebalancing ATM when asked about nerfing it.
Harold Jones Posted January 30, 2013 Posted January 30, 2013 Any ideas on the second US med. line ? I am wondering if it worth to push the current light/med/heavy line.I'd probably avoid it at this point. The only tanks that are fun/good are the T71 and T57. However, they're talking about nerfing the T57 in 8.5 or so and I'm worried that'll make it obsolete. It's fine now but certainly not OP. The rest of the tanks are meh or bad. If you enjoy playing at mid tiers, though, I highly recommend just going up to the T71 and staying there. Fantastic tank. Agree on the T71, it's a lot of fun to play. The T69 (at least stock) is not, maybe it gets better with the 90 but I suspect even then it will be hampered by being sluggish and unresponsive.
Fritz Posted January 30, 2013 Posted January 30, 2013 Maybe the buffing and nerfing is a lot less on lower tiers. I dont know. That's correct. Since people don't spend much time in the lower tiers and the higher tiers have much more influence on the game, the lower tiers very rarely get rebalanced. For example the Marder was blatantly OP for like two years until they took the time to nerf it.
Marek Tucan Posted January 30, 2013 Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) Also the complaints are usually directed at high tiers. Guess part of the thing is the more competitive part of game concentrated on higher tiers (CW, eSports) so even miniscule changes are have bigger (at least psychological) impact and more people notice 1% change etc. EDIT: Marder was nothing compared to the MicroMaus Edited January 30, 2013 by Tuccy
medicjim86 Posted January 30, 2013 Posted January 30, 2013 buff something I might want to buy in the near future... there's an idea.. T69, hint, hint
Marek Tucan Posted January 30, 2013 Posted January 30, 2013 buff something I might want to buy in the near future... there's an idea.. T69, hint, hint OK, will pass it on. Just to make sure, did you say "nerf", right?
FlyingCanOpener Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Any ideas on the second US med. line ? I am wondering if it worth to push the current light/med/heavy line. I'd probably avoid it at this point. The only tanks that are fun/good are the T71 and T57. However, they're talking about nerfing the T57 in 8.5 or so and I'm worried that'll make it obsolete. It's fine now but certainly not OP. The rest of the tanks are meh or bad. If you enjoy playing at mid tiers, though, I highly recommend just going up to the T71 and staying there. Fantastic tank. T21: BadT71: Lulz on tracksT69: fun when fully upgradedT54E1: Great without the top gun--even better with the top gun, though a little underwhelming penT57: Lulz on tracks shooting HEAT.
Fritz Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Oh look, prem expired, good excuse not to play for a bit and make better use of my spare time.
Skywalkre Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Any ideas on the second US med. line ? I am wondering if it worth to push the current light/med/heavy line. I'd probably avoid it at this point. The only tanks that are fun/good are the T71 and T57. However, they're talking about nerfing the T57 in 8.5 or so and I'm worried that'll make it obsolete. It's fine now but certainly not OP. The rest of the tanks are meh or bad. If you enjoy playing at mid tiers, though, I highly recommend just going up to the T71 and staying there. Fantastic tank. T21: BadT71: Lulz on tracksT69: fun when fully upgradedT54E1: Great without the top gun--even better with the top gun, though a little underwhelming penT57: Lulz on tracks shooting HEAT.Eh. The T69 is saddled with a 4-round drum for the top gun. You throw out less than 1k damage (assuming they all hit) before you have to reload. The T54E1 is slow and has one of the worst guns for a tier 9 med. You're also limited by a 4-round drum like the T69. You struggle to get in close to guarantee your shots and then do less that 1.6k damage when you do (again, assuming they all hit).
FlyingCanOpener Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 The T69 is saddled with a 4-round drum for the top gun. You throw out less than 1k damage (assuming they all hit) before you have to reload. ROF is similar to other Tier 8 mediums The T54E1 is slow and has one of the worst guns for a tier 9 med. You're also limited by a 4-round drum like the T69. You struggle to get in close to guarantee your shots and then do less that 1.6k damage when you do (again, assuming they all hit). About half of it was played with the T69's gun, and 80% of all battles were solo. 19 second clip reload + 6 seconds to dump 5 rounds (With very good pen with cheap HEAT rounds) with the T69's gun. Top gun's pen is underwhelming at times, but I just loaded HEAT and trolololo as usual. I might buy it back to run with fellow Tier 9 drivers.
bojan Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 T21 is actually quite useful scout, not great but you can live with it. T71 is probably one of greatest tanks I played, and I only got gun so far...IOW anyone gets impression Chi-Ha is a bit too good for tier 3?
FlyingCanOpener Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 IOW anyone gets impression Chi-Ha is a bit too good for tier 3? Cruiser Mk IV chews it up easily. Much more agile, and best of all, 1800 dpm with 100 pen with APCR shooting out of the Bofors.
Marek Tucan Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 T21 is actually quite useful scout, not great but you can live with it. T71 is probably one of greatest tanks I played, and I only got gun so far...IOW anyone gets impression Chi-Ha is a bit too good for tier 3? Chi-Ha has pretty good penetration for the tier, but otherwise I am generally unimpressed.
bojan Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Cruiser Mk IV chews it up easily. Much more agile, and best of all, 1800 dpm with 100 pen with APCR shooting out of the Bofors. Ah, forgot about that bugger, was quite good when I played it and plan to get it back at some time, but is Bofors optimal armament? I remember it being quite inaccurate and slow aiming...
FlyingCanOpener Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Cruiser Mk IV chews it up easily. Much more agile, and best of all, 1800 dpm with 100 pen with APCR shooting out of the Bofors. Ah, forgot about that bugger, was quite good when I played it and plan to get it back at some time, but is Bofors optimal armament? I remember it being quite inaccurate and slow aiming... You can use the pom pom instead. I like the alpha so I can get in close range since engagements at that tier tend to be short and violent.
Marek Tucan Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Bofors is pretty accurate even at range, my only regret is that it has raneg limited to max. for all small caiber automatic weapons.
medicjim86 Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 OK, will pass it on. Just to make sure, did you say "nerf", right? I really don't care what they do BEFORE I invest the time and credits to acquire it... what drives me nuts is the fact that just about every nerf done to date seems to have occurred after I've invested the energy to get the tank, and before I've really had time to enjoy the investment. The nerf to the Patton's gun pissed me off so much, I took several weeks off (and did not buy premium during that period)... so the WoT profit model probably should consider this factor... The easy fix - provide the option to sell a nerfed tank and free up both the full XP and credits invested ...perhaps for say 5-7 days after the nerf. I'm thinking this would have little impact on the true game costs, and would improve player retention for the regular premium ilk IMO. I have a bunch of tanks which I'd love to drop in this manner.. they were once fun, but now are dogs due to changes done to the game after I bought the tank (essentially, I see this as a minor breach of contract each time it happens to me)
Fritz Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Yep I missed all the OP trains as well. I think my 50/100 was the only tank I played before it was nerfed.
Skywalkre Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 If the objective is to drive people into buying premium, well fair enough. Except I dont have a lot of time left from my working day, so buying an unlock for 3 days doesnt make a lot of sense, particularly when Im only ever going to use maybe 6 hours out of that. Buying a month makes even less sense unless you are unemployed. Premium is actually a great idea if you have limited time. If you buy the year long period it averages to less that $9 (US, don't know how that converts for you all across the pond) a month. For a MMO type game that's a steal. The increase in XP and credits makes your limited time more productive. As much as I bitch about the game it's still one of 2-3 I actually enjoy playing at the moment. The best thing I did was buy the year of premium time and play less of the game.
Skywalkre Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Yep I missed all the OP trains as well. I think my 50/100 was the only tank I played before it was nerfed.If folks want OP tanks the Pz IV and M4 derp are still around (with no apparent plans to change them). They're so OP I actually got bored with plowing over folks in mine.
Fritz Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 OK I forgot about the M4, I do play it fairly often. I was just thinking about all the new tanks that were really good when released only to be nerfed in the next patch.
Skywalkre Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 OK I forgot about the M4, I do play it fairly often. I was just thinking about all the new tanks that were really good when released only to be nerfed in the next patch.Getting new releases right is difficult for any game (which is why I tend to think less and less that it's some devious scheme by the devs to get money). The best bet is to just wait and let the eventual changes (sometimes there's buffs) be introduced.
Harold Jones Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 If the objective is to drive people into buying premium, well fair enough. Except I dont have a lot of time left from my working day, so buying an unlock for 3 days doesnt make a lot of sense, particularly when Im only ever going to use maybe 6 hours out of that. Buying a month makes even less sense unless you are unemployed. Premium is actually a great idea if you have limited time. If you buy the year long period it averages to less that $9 (US, don't know how that converts for you all across the pond) a month. For a MMO type game that's a steal. The increase in XP and credits makes your limited time more productive. As much as I bitch about the game it's still one of 2-3 I actually enjoy playing at the moment. The best thing I did was buy the year of premium time and play less of the game. For the first year I just bought premium when I knew that I would be around to use it, but what that meant was I had a big pot of gold sitting around begging for impulse buys. This year I bought a year when it was on sale and since it's paid up find myself not worrying about missing stretches of play here and there, whether due to travel or because of burnout and I don't have any gold sitting around to spend which makes it much easier to stick to my WoT budget.
Fritz Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 OK I forgot about the M4, I do play it fairly often. I was just thinking about all the new tanks that were really good when released only to be nerfed in the next patch.Getting new releases right is difficult for any game (which is why I tend to think less and less that it's some devious scheme by the devs to get money). The best bet is to just wait and let the eventual changes (sometimes there's buffs) be introduced. Yeah I've come to think the same. Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence
Skywalkre Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 OK I forgot about the M4, I do play it fairly often. I was just thinking about all the new tanks that were really good when released only to be nerfed in the next patch.Getting new releases right is difficult for any game (which is why I tend to think less and less that it's some devious scheme by the devs to get money). The best bet is to just wait and let the eventual changes (sometimes there's buffs) be introduced. Yeah I've come to think the same. Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetenceI love that quote. In fact, I'm going to change it to my sig. So fitting in what seems to be 99% of the situations I come across.
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