Olof Larsson Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Oto's were in Italian 45kt hydrofoils. OTO's are also used in 60kt Skjord-class. 57mm Bofors OTOH have functioned excellent in +40 kt torpedoboats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Hydrofoils were tried out on this coast but they didn't fare too well with the 60' Douglas Fir torpedoes the natives use on this coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 3-inches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankerwanabe Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Tony & Mike, Can the LCS replace the Oliver Perry Frigates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted March 30, 2013 Author Share Posted March 30, 2013 (Gotta get a say in here)Hulls in water, yes. Capability--no; even though that was part of the sales pitch for the LCS, reality isn't keeping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted March 30, 2013 Author Share Posted March 30, 2013 Have any mission modules worked as originally intended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 The powerpoint module apparently has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 The powerpoint module apparently has. Far beyond all reasonable expectations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 More LCS handwringing:http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/04/08/lcs-maker-responds-to-ships-fire-power-critics.html?ESRC=eb.nl LCS Maker Responds to Ship's Firepower Critics----http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/04/05/navy-set-to-reevaluate-lcs-programs-future.html?comp=7000023435700&rank=4 Navy Set to Re-Evaluate LCS Program’s Future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_S Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 More LCS handwringing:http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/04/08/lcs-maker-responds-to-ships-fire-power-critics.html?ESRC=eb.nl LCS Maker Responds to Ship's Firepower Critics----http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/04/05/navy-set-to-reevaluate-lcs-programs-future.html?comp=7000023435700&rank=4 Navy Set to Re-Evaluate LCS Program’s Future What does this grate sight think about the future of this thing? Can something useful be salvaged by bolting on, say, some harpoon launchers and an 8 cell VLS for quad pack ESSM or is it too much of a mess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Equip it with the new laser weapon, snazzy paint job and send it to the Gulf, also make sure you photoshop a dozen more of them into the picture as well. See we can play the game as well as Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 More LCS handwringing:http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/04/08/lcs-maker-responds-to-ships-fire-power-critics.html?ESRC=eb.nl LCS Maker Responds to Ship's Firepower Critics----http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/04/05/navy-set-to-reevaluate-lcs-programs-future.html?comp=7000023435700&rank=4 Navy Set to Re-Evaluate LCS Program’s Future What does this grate sight think about the future of this thing? Can something useful be salvaged by bolting on, say, some harpoon launchers and an 8 cell VLS for quad pack ESSM or is it too much of a mess? It shouldn't be, if it can containerised, the modular nature of the ship should be able to take it. Bolting Harpoon shouldn't be a problem, the aviation department is well covered, and it already carries a RAM launcher. Sensor wise it would be a bit light, but the big hangar decks can be adapted for towed sonar arrays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_S Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 It shouldn't be, if it can containerised, the modular nature of the ship should be able to take it. Bolting Harpoon shouldn't be a problem, the aviation department is well covered, and it already carries a RAM launcher. Sensor wise it would be a bit light, but the big hangar decks can be adapted for towed sonar arrays. Well there's certainly a fair bit of space back there. It seems a bit odd to me that a ship that's suppsoed to go places that are full of SSK's has virtually no sonar capability too. So, our shopping list is a towed array, 8 VLS cells for ESSM and some harpoons. That can't be that hard, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 The problem is that it's not just the hardware that is suffering from flawed logic, the entire concept is flawed. Modifying this and bolting on that isn't going to change that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 More LCS handwringing:http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/04/08/lcs-maker-responds-to-ships-fire-power-critics.html?ESRC=eb.nl LCS Maker Responds to Ship's Firepower Critics----http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/04/05/navy-set-to-reevaluate-lcs-programs-future.html?comp=7000023435700&rank=4 Navy Set to Re-Evaluate LCS Program’s Future What does this grate sight think about the future of this thing? Can something useful be salvaged by bolting on, say, some harpoon launchers and an 8 cell VLS for quad pack ESSM or is it too much of a mess? You can bolt more & different weapons on it. It's not particularly big issue as such.Question is rather, is it an economical platform to carry those weapons? I am also somewhat sceptical on "modular warship" concept. It was all the rage with Nordic navies in 80's and '90s, but the craze has somewhat died down when reality set in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Hmm.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_speed_transporthttp://destroyerhistory.org/flushdeck/green_dragons/ Edited April 11, 2013 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardaukar Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 "Maximum Warfighting Capability Per Dollar"... I have no idea what that ship can ever do. It has no survivability nor firepower, me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_S Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 So if the DoD decides to bin the whole thing and start over, this time the program will deliver everything the Navy needs, on time and under budget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 "Maximum Warfighting Capability Per Dollar"... I have no idea what that ship can ever do. It has no survivability nor firepower, me thinks. I've been assuming that its got to be protected by Burkes while it transits from here to there, and by the time it gets to the contested littoral the CVBGs, SSNs, and Burkes have swept most/all of OPFOR's navy from the sea. So its going to be tasked with stepping on gunboats, speedboats, etc, and delivering some SEALs or other "naval infantry" to small hotspots on the beach. Which is fine, and the USN kinda has a gap there, but good grief they're spending a lot of money on a system to gun down speedboats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 The problem with bolting stuff is lack of deck space, most of it is taken by the flight deck. Not necessarily bad - if the helicopters have a decent combat capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) ' "They are not frigates; they are not destroyers," van Tol said.' Problem is, they are expected to carry out the classic tin-can missions with speedboat firepower. If a speedboat fighter is really what they want, bring back the Pegasus. For 'multi-mission' get a frigate, licensing if necessary. Edited April 11, 2013 by shep854 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Mandrake Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 What does this thing do that something like a "FRAM-ed" & slighly modded Spruance or twin-arm Ticonderoga with AH-1Z instead of SH-60 LAMPS III couldn't do at a fraction of the cost? To new-build overly specialized hulls for this kind of mission in these tough economic & bugetary times is insane IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 What does this thing do that something like a "FRAM-ed" & slighly modded Spruance or twin-arm Ticonderoga with AH-1Z instead of SH-60 LAMPS III couldn't do at a fraction of the cost? To new-build overly specialized hulls for this kind of mission in these tough economic & bugetary times is insane IMHO. Carry containers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Given the potentially huge power excess for "normal" fleet operations, the LCS would perhaps have been a suitable platform for the laser defence system. You would have 70+ MW from the gas turbines and still have the diesels for cruise speeds. I have no idea if these are electric drive ships, though, if not, then the generators just aren't going to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 What does this thing do that something like a "FRAM-ed" & slighly modded Spruance or twin-arm Ticonderoga with AH-1Z instead of SH-60 LAMPS III couldn't do at a fraction of the cost? To new-build overly specialized hulls for this kind of mission in these tough economic & bugetary times is insane IMHO.Problem is, most Spruances are busy trying to be submarines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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