Max H Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 If dazzle wasn't very successful in the age of visual rangefinding, how is it going to help in the age of radar? It's like the navy sailors I see around here in their navy camo, WTF? Boghammer swarm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Hmm, true, if the opponents are relying upon Mk1 Eyball then dazzle/disruption camo would make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 It's like the navy sailors I see around here in their navy camo, WTF? There`s Army Strong and there`s Navy Cool..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Is that like Daddy Cool in the Navy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 If you want to disappear in a Florida city harbor, paint it white, name it the Miss Behavin, and have some bikini babes catching rays on the foredeck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Williams Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 The ship will also need grapeshot capable 106mm RCLs on sviwel mounts located on the bridgewings..... Very efficient - how to destroy small boats and wipe out the bridge complement with one shot.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnm Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Given the amount of traditionalism in the Grate Sight, I'm surprised at the disparagement of the cammouflage concept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Nobody is against splinter or dazzle, it's just the pointlessness of applying it to the LCS which is best fitted with bloos and toos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 Freedom departs for Singapore on 1 March:http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/02/25/lcs-ready-for-first-overseas-deployment.html?ESRC=eb.nl LCS Ready for First Overseas Deployment "SASEBO NAVAL BASE, Japan -- The Navy’s USS Freedom will set sail for Singapore on March 1, the inaugural overseas trip for the beleaguered Littoral Combat Ship program."During its eight-month deployment, the Freedom will conduct maritime security operations as well as participate in international exhibitions and exercises, according to a Navy announcement last week." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It would be an awesome addition to the Marina Bay Sands Casino & Resort as a high security floating casino to sail to Phuket or Bali.They could even do an ABDA cruise, complete with torpedo drills and AA fire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On the way Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 That will be excellent if they ever have to fight harbor pirates or riverine enemies in a megapolis. Yes, Lots of riverine pirates in the Singapore, disguised as pubs and other such eateries, charging a king's ransome for mediocre fare. They should just sail up river and start blasting them from the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On the way Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 It would be an awesome addition to the Marina Bay Sands Casino & Resort as a high security floating casino to sail to Phuket or Bali.They could even do an ABDA cruise, complete with torpedo drills and AA fire! Err, why else is half the ship open space? They need the room to set up the mahjong tables, poker, and baccarat tables. I am sure they will try to pursuade the the local USN contingent to park the LCS next to the barge for National Day and wow the peasants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 Somebody seems to be figuring it out...via Mil.com:http://www.dodbuzz.com/2013/03/19/report-navy-considers-cutting-lcs-fleet-in-half/ "Report: Navy considers cutting LCS fleet in half" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottBrim Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Somebody seems to be figuring it out...via Mil.com:http://www.dodbuzz.com/2013/03/19/report-navy-considers-cutting-lcs-fleet-in-half/ "Report: Navy considers cutting LCS fleet in half" Once they start cutting the LCS fleet in half, maybe they can move on to cutting the individual ships in half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Break out the water skis, boys and girls, the LCS has arrived! From the 'Early Brief':http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/03/20/uss-freedom-arrives-in-us-7th-fleet.html?ESRC=eb.nl USS Freedom Arrives in U.S. 7th Fleet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermax Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Freedom's power outages. http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/awx_03_22_2013_p0-562016.xml The Littoral Combat Ship (LCS-1) USS Freedom’s first overseas deployment to Southeast Asia has been marred by two more power outages, the U.S. Navy says. The most recent two this week — including one March 21 — brings the outage total to three, all during the ship’s transit from Pearl Harbor to Guam en route to Singapore, says U.S. Pacific Fleet spokesman Darryn James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 I suppose the skis could double as paddles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankerwanabe Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Can these LCS be turned into air-defense frigates? I would imagine that the modular design allows the USN to drop SAM modules into the ships. But what about other things such as radars & electronics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Williams Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Can these LCS be turned into air-defense frigates? I would imagine that the modular design allows the USN to drop SAM modules into the ships. But what about other things such as radars & electronics? "Air defense" implies command of a large volume of space around the ship, so that it can protect a task force rather than just defend itself. In US service, that means the Aegis system, which requires a massive radar and associated fire control system, firing the full-size long-range SM-series missiles. This is what the DDG51 series destroyers are for, and I can't see a system like that fitting into LCS. On the other hand, smaller missiles and less capable radar systems could be fitted for local defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKSheppard Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 "Air defense" implies command of a large volume of space around the ship, so that it can protect a task force rather than just defend itself. In US service, that means the Aegis system, which requires a massive radar and associated fire control system, firing the full-size long-range SM-series missiles. This is what the DDG51 series destroyers are for, and I can't see a system like that fitting into LCS.Right now RIM-162 ESSM has an operational range of about 27 nautical miles from a 620~ lb missile.This compares favorably with the 25~ nautical mile range of the RIM-66E SM-1MR Block VI/VIA/VIB Standard missile which weighed 1,100~ lbs, and what the FFG-7s had. 25~ NM is about when you start going from "Defend self" to "Defend others around you". It also is the minimum credible AAW capability now in a world with proliferating anti-ship missiles -- Hizbollah has anti-ship missiles. This is what frustrates me so much about LCS -- the Navy decided that it was perfectly OK with equipping a $400~ million surface combatant with 'last ditch' point defenses -- the 57mm gun forward and the 5 nautical mile ranged Rolling Airframe Missile. It means that LCS can't even perform the "Escort stuff around" role credibly in today's threat environment, much less the environment of 20 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKSheppard Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) Also, the 57mm gun is apparently proving unreliable in service on LCS, due to being shaken around horridly at 40+ knot speeds.This is darkly ironic, since the 57mm was picked to replace the OTO 76mm because it would be more reliable than the 76mm, thus increasing overall lethality; as you would have a gun that actually was in service more often than not, and could fire more rounds in a typical combat engagement than the OTO 76mm which would go:"BANG BANG BA--CLUNK". Edited March 28, 2013 by MKSheppard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardaukar Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 It is incredible to think about how some of those weapon systems actually come to live...LCS looks to me like pure political pork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted March 29, 2013 Author Share Posted March 29, 2013 Sooo-EY! Here Piggypiggypiggy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Sequester!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Oto's were in Italian 45kt hydrofoils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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