shep854 Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) From StrategyPage; the Navy is trying to get LCS' out to do piracy patrol, as an 'intro' to combat ops. Of course, this is what the gold-plated cutter is best suited for.http://www.strategyp...startofcommentsLCS Goes Into The Danger Zone "January 23, 2013: Last year the U.S. Navy has decided to put its new "Littoral Combat Ship" (LCS) into mass production. This year one of the three LCSs in service will get its first tour in a combat zone (counter-piracy duty around the Straits of Malacca). This ship, and others currently in service, will take turns serving six month tours, and will be based in Singapore." Edited January 23, 2013 by shep854
RETAC21 Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Catching pirate boats when you can make 47 knots doesn't appear to be that hard.
rmgill Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Ugghh, the double down on stupid with all the faults?
TonyE Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 LCS Goes Into The Danger Zone Obligatory soundtrack:
rathi Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Hunting pirates is about the only thing the LCS is good for. Its outgunned by anything with a decent sized cannon on it, much less anti-ship missiles.
JW Collins Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 8" isn't enough. We need cruisers with 12" guns like the Alaska class! How hard would it be for the USN to get a proper frigate like many of the modern European designs. We probably don't even need Standard Missile capability, just ESSM.
rmgill Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 8" isn't enough. We need cruisers with 12" guns like the Alaska class! How hard would it be for the USN to get a proper frigate like many of the modern European designs. We probably don't even need Standard Missile capability, just ESSM. Why stop there?
T-44 Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Pheh.... I heard .50-cal was adequate. Yes, but can navalised F-15s mounting those .50s take off from the LCS?
Steven P Allen Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 The fella in the hat in the foreground is standing in a VERY unhealthy place!
FlyingCanOpener Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 LCS Goes Into The Danger Zone Obligatory soundtrack: Obligatory TV clips:
On the way Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Catching pirate boats when you can make 47 knots doesn't appear to be that hard. If that was the case, than the largest navy in the area (The republic of singapore navy) would have caught all the pirates by now. You can't even tell a pirate boat from a regular boat until they pull up along side and start opening fire on you. All the technology on these LCS will not be of any use in differentiating pirate from regular fishing boat. And even after an LCS positively identifies a pirate vessel, what do they do, give chase? They better have a good angle, because its not hard for a pirate boat to slip back into sovereign waters of whatever country it operates from. The fact is the combined record for pirate catching by all the navies in the area is absymal. For the USN to think they can be successful right away is ridiculous. More likely, the Navy knew the LCS would have a lot teething problems and based them in Singapore to escape the prying eye so the press. The press is tightly controlled in Singapore, and you can be sure the singapore govt. will muzzle any negative press regarding hull leaks, propulsion failures, etc. Good luck to the more vocal US press opponents of the LCS hoping to get visas to singapore to report on the teething problems. Either that, or these ships are there with the real goal to spirit the ruling dictatorship out of the country when they lose the next election. After all, 40% of the ship is designed to be empty and the things are fast as hell.
CaptLuke Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 If that was the case, than the largest navy in the area (The republic of singapore navy) would have caught all the pirates by now. You can't even tell a pirate boat from a regular boat until they pull up along side and start opening fire on you. All the technology on these LCS will not be of any use in differentiating pirate from regular fishing boat. Good point. Even the LCS's vaunted anti-speedboat capability assumes an Iranian Navy "charge of the light brigade" and never discusses how many speedboats can hide behind an oil tanker . . . or just allow the LCS to chase them while dumping mines or lightweight torpedoes over the stern . . .
Colin Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 A least they will be babysat by a more experienced navy
RETAC21 Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Catching pirate boats when you can make 47 knots doesn't appear to be that hard. If that was the case, than the largest navy in the area (The republic of singapore navy) would have caught all the pirates by now. You can't even tell a pirate boat from a regular boat until they pull up along side and start opening fire on you. All the technology on these LCS will not be of any use in differentiating pirate from regular fishing boat. And even after an LCS positively identifies a pirate vessel, what do they do, give chase? They better have a good angle, because its not hard for a pirate boat to slip back into sovereign waters of whatever country it operates from. The fact is the combined record for pirate catching by all the navies in the area is absymal. For the USN to think they can be successful right away is ridiculous. More likely, the Navy knew the LCS would have a lot teething problems and based them in Singapore to escape the prying eye so the press. The press is tightly controlled in Singapore, and you can be sure the singapore govt. will muzzle any negative press regarding hull leaks, propulsion failures, etc. Good luck to the more vocal US press opponents of the LCS hoping to get visas to singapore to report on the teething problems. Either that, or these ships are there with the real goal to spirit the ruling dictatorship out of the country when they lose the next election. After all, 40% of the ship is designed to be empty and the things are fast as hell. Details, details,... the Hyper kewl ships will develop their own intelligence and will be able to identify the pirates through an advanced tattoo recognition program...
Simon Tan Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 The best anti-pirate vessel the Malaysian Navy has is the MV Bunga Lima, a converted container ship that serves as a support vessel for Ops Fajr deployments to Somalia. It's innocuous, very spacious, has a large hangar and big derricks.
On the way Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 The best anti-pirate vessel the Malaysian Navy has is the MV Bunga Lima, a converted container ship that serves as a support vessel for Ops Fajr deployments to Somalia. It's innocuous, very spacious, has a large hangar and big derricks. Its the best anti pirate vessel because pirates keep mistaking it for a soft target container vessel and attack it. Its like a honey trap for pirates, they attack the container ship and oops, the damn thing shoots back at them with lots of firepower. Fooled ya.
On the way Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Catching pirate boats when you can make 47 knots doesn't appear to be that hard. If that was the case, than the largest navy in the area (The republic of singapore navy) would have caught all the pirates by now. You can't even tell a pirate boat from a regular boat until they pull up along side and start opening fire on you. All the technology on these LCS will not be of any use in differentiating pirate from regular fishing boat. And even after an LCS positively identifies a pirate vessel, what do they do, give chase? They better have a good angle, because its not hard for a pirate boat to slip back into sovereign waters of whatever country it operates from. The fact is the combined record for pirate catching by all the navies in the area is absymal. For the USN to think they can be successful right away is ridiculous. More likely, the Navy knew the LCS would have a lot teething problems and based them in Singapore to escape the prying eye so the press. The press is tightly controlled in Singapore, and you can be sure the singapore govt. will muzzle any negative press regarding hull leaks, propulsion failures, etc. Good luck to the more vocal US press opponents of the LCS hoping to get visas to singapore to report on the teething problems. Either that, or these ships are there with the real goal to spirit the ruling dictatorship out of the country when they lose the next election. After all, 40% of the ship is designed to be empty and the things are fast as hell. Details, details,... the Hyper kewl ships will develop their own intelligence and will be able to identify the pirates through an advanced tattoo recognition program... If that's the case, I guess bikers better not go deep sea fishing in the South China Sea anytime soon. They are liable to be mistaken for pirates and shot at. LOL
Max H Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Catching pirate boats when you can make 47 knots doesn't appear to be that hard. If that was the case, than the largest navy in the area (The republic of singapore navy) would have caught all the pirates by now. You can't even tell a pirate boat from a regular boat until they pull up along side and start opening fire on you. All the technology on these LCS will not be of any use in differentiating pirate from regular fishing boat. And even after an LCS positively identifies a pirate vessel, what do they do, give chase? They better have a good angle, because its not hard for a pirate boat to slip back into sovereign waters of whatever country it operates from. The fact is the combined record for pirate catching by all the navies in the area is absymal. For the USN to think they can be successful right away is ridiculous. More likely, the Navy knew the LCS would have a lot teething problems and based them in Singapore to escape the prying eye so the press. The press is tightly controlled in Singapore, and you can be sure the singapore govt. will muzzle any negative press regarding hull leaks, propulsion failures, etc. Good luck to the more vocal US press opponents of the LCS hoping to get visas to singapore to report on the teething problems. Either that, or these ships are there with the real goal to spirit the ruling dictatorship out of the country when they lose the next election. After all, 40% of the ship is designed to be empty and the things are fast as hell. Details, details,... the Hyper kewl ships will develop their own intelligence and will be able to identify the pirates through an advanced tattoo recognition program... And UAV's, those make everything better.
TonyE Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Even the LCS's vaunted anti-speedboat capability assumes an Iranian Navy "charge of the light brigade" and never discusses how many speedboats can hide behind an oil tanker . . . or just allow the LCS to chase them while dumping mines or lightweight torpedoes over the stern . . . We must not allow a speedboat gap!
RETAC21 Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Catching pirate boats when you can make 47 knots doesn't appear to be that hard. If that was the case, than the largest navy in the area (The republic of singapore navy) would have caught all the pirates by now. You can't even tell a pirate boat from a regular boat until they pull up along side and start opening fire on you. All the technology on these LCS will not be of any use in differentiating pirate from regular fishing boat. And even after an LCS positively identifies a pirate vessel, what do they do, give chase? They better have a good angle, because its not hard for a pirate boat to slip back into sovereign waters of whatever country it operates from. The fact is the combined record for pirate catching by all the navies in the area is absymal. For the USN to think they can be successful right away is ridiculous. More likely, the Navy knew the LCS would have a lot teething problems and based them in Singapore to escape the prying eye so the press. The press is tightly controlled in Singapore, and you can be sure the singapore govt. will muzzle any negative press regarding hull leaks, propulsion failures, etc. Good luck to the more vocal US press opponents of the LCS hoping to get visas to singapore to report on the teething problems. Either that, or these ships are there with the real goal to spirit the ruling dictatorship out of the country when they lose the next election. After all, 40% of the ship is designed to be empty and the things are fast as hell. Details, details,... the Hyper kewl ships will develop their own intelligence and will be able to identify the pirates through an advanced tattoo recognition program... And UAV's, those make everything better. And a new medal, with precedence over the Silver star - the Shores-of-Tripoli-from-my-couch medal with W device (because a V it's not enough!)
Mike Steele Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Details, details,... the Hyper kewl ships will develop their own intelligence and will be able to identify the pirates through an advanced tattoo recognition program... Arrrrr Matey it's tough out there these days, for a pirate.....
tankerwanabe Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I believe that roughly half of the ship is empty space, ready for mission modules. Not very high tech, but they can probably drop in a living quarters module for a company of Marines. That should help with the boarding party issue.
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