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"Our Tiger pilots don't have enough experience in the machines deployed, to fully command those helicopters in borderline situations," said Reinhardt Schlepphorst, who chairs the specialized group representing aviation personnel.

None of the Tiger pilots had reached the 140 flight hours required under NATO rules before being sent on the military operation, said Schlepphorst.



ouch. and 140 flght hours is not much.

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von der Leyen has moved a scheduled visit to Mali forward on occasion of the crash.



German defence minister arrives in Mali in wake of helicopter crash

Jul 30, 2017


Gao (dpa) – German Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen arrived in northern Mali on Sunday, four days after two German soldiers were killed in a helicopter crash there.

Von der Leyen arrived in the early morning hours in Camp Castor, the military base of the German peacekeeping troops in the volatile town of Gao.

The minister was planning to spend the whole of Sunday with German soldiers and attend a memorial service.

The bodies of the two Bundeswehr soldiers had arrived Saturday night in Germany.

Family members and fellow soldiers received the remains at an air force base near the western city of Cologne. Von der Leyen also attended the private event.

The two soldiers' Tiger attack helicopter crashed Wednesday near the town of Tabankort in the Gao region of Mali.

The two pilots were conducting surveillance for the UN peacekeeping mission in Mali (MINUSMA) in the aftermath of violent clashes between armed groups Coordination des Mouvements de l'Azawad and the Plateforme.

The deaths were the first losses for Bundeswehr troops in the country in almost two years.

The cause of the crash remains unknown, with preliminary results pointing to a technical failure, according to the UN.

However, the recorder is damaged, and it is not yet clear whether information can be extracted from it, the spokesman added.

There are 875 German soldiers stationed in Gao as part of the UN's Mali peacekeeping operations.

Von der Leyen is also planning to visit the neighbouring West African nation of Niger.





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Why are they deploying those Tigers? They offfer nothing over a NH-90.


Well politicians made promises to France and the UN to supplant the Dutch Apaches...


there are four NH90 and four (three now) Tiger in Mali. Well the Tiger has nightvision and daylight optics and all that, the NH90 has NV googles for the crew at best and the Tiger crashed while on a mission to keep watch over troops on the ground.

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Your NH-90 have no FLIR?


No they do. But the UN wants a few combat helicopters for MINUSMA. The Tigers replaced Dutch AH-64.



Meanwhile Germany brings MANTIS AA systems to Mali in Novembre. But only the sensors? :wacko:





Bundeswehr plans first deployment of MANTIS to Mali
Nicholas Fiorenza - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
18 August 2017

The Bundeswehr is planning to deploy the Modular, Automatic and Network capable Targeting and Interception System (MANTIS) counter-rocket, artillery and mortar defence (C-RAM) system for the first time to Mali, Jane's has learned.

Deployment of MANTIS in the “sense and warn” configuration, without 35 mm guns, is expected in November, the Luftwaffe told Jane's. This will increase the safety of soldiers in Mali, where the threat from rockets, artillery and mortars in increasing, the Luftwaffe explained.

In June the Bundeswehr held Exercise ‘Big Ophelia II’ in the Gefechtsübungszentrum des Heeres (GÜZ), the German Army's Combat Training Centre in Letzlingen, eastern Germany, to prepare for the deployment of MANTIS to Mali.


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They were delivering water. Let me suggest that this is triumph of bureaucracy rather than results. What is the mission? Who is the enemy? What is the desired end goal? As for sending C-RAM....it's idiotic.

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I haven't heard anything in the news about continuing operations in Mali for a long time now (perhaps since 2014 when "Operation Serval" was supposedly completed). So news of continuing French involvement as far as military forces go is a little surprising.


Without asking anything to upset the OPSEC rule, is there still a large French presence in the area?


There's at least one book covering Serval in detail (in English) that I'm aware of, I may look into getting this one.



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Thirteen French troops killed in helicopter crash in Mali


26 November 2019


Thirteen French soldiers were killed when two helicopters collided during an operation against jihadists in Mali, the French president's office said.


Monday's accident is one of the single largest losses of life for the French military in decades.


French President Emmanuel Macron expressed his "deep sadness" over the incident. An investigation has begun.


In 2013, France deployed thousands of troops to Mali after Islamist militants seized huge parts of the north.


Mali's army has since recaptured the territory but insecurity there continues and the violence has spread to other countries in the region.


France now has 4,500 troops deployed to support the forces of Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Burkina Faso and Chad against Islamist militants.


The Tiger attack helicopter and Cougar military transport collided mid-air on Monday when they were supporting ground forces engaging insurgents near the borders of Burkina Faso and Niger.


Among the dead was the son of centrist Senator Jean-Marie Bockel, the politician told the AFP news agency.


"These 13 heroes had only one goal: to protect us," President Macron wrote in a tweet. "I bow my head to their loved ones and comrades."


Another French soldier, Brig Ronan Pointeau, was killed earlier this month after an explosive device detonated near his vehicle.


In total, 38 French soldiers have been killed in Mali since the country first intervened.


The brunt of the violence though is faced by local forces and civilians. An attack on a northern military post this month left 53 Malian troops dead.




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Very sad.


There seems to be something of a problem de conflicting helicopters from other aircraft in low altitude areas. I remember reading an account by a British Apache pilot in Afghanistan the he nearly had a head on with a predator drone. They normally didnt bother to turn the radar on for some reason.

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Date 02.02.2020


France to boost military troops in Africa's Sahel to counter terrorism


Paris has said it will deploy 600 additional troops to the border zone between Burkina Faso, Mali and Niger. French forces are also seeking to train local fighters who it says are unprepared to take on jihadi groups.


France announced Sunday it was bolstering its military presence in Africa's Sahel region to counter jihadi violence.


French Defense Minister Florence Parly said in a statement that the majority of the reinforcements would be sent by the end of February to the border zone connecting Burkina Faso, Mali and Niger.


The French government is planning to deploy a further 600 troops in addition to its already 4,500-strong operation in five countries across the Sahel region. The Defense Ministry said that boosting its military presence showed France's commitment to the anti-terrorist mission. The ministry also emphasized that Paris's allies were mobilizing their own troops.


France said the move to bolster its military was in response to an upsurge in violence in the Sahel region that has led locals to feel increasingly insecure.


France loses soldiers


Earlier this month, French President Emmanuel Macron announced 220 new troops for the region at a G5 Sahel summit where he met up with leaders from Burkina Faso, Chad, Mali, Mauritania and Niger.


France lost 13 of its own troops in a fatal air collision last November. The incident was the country's biggest military loss in decades and motivated Macron to announce that France would commence an in-depth review of its Operation Barkhane, with "all options on the table."


Paris will also send around 100 armored vehicles to Sahel, reported French news agency AFP, citing a military source.


Paris urges allies to step up


Chad is planning to deploy an additional battalion to the Sahel region, while the Czech Republic is requesting its parliament's approval for 60 troops to be sent to the territory.


The strengthening of troops to combat jihadi violence might finally relieve the fears of France's chief of staff, General Francois Lecointre, who had been calling for greater resources. In November, Lecointre told Macron's administration that the current level of French troops in such an expansive territory was "derisory."


France hopes other European Union allies will also join the effort.


Parly visited the US last week, where she met with her counterpart Mark Esper and asked for US support in "burden-sharing" in the Sahel region. The top commander of the American forces in Africa, General Stephen Townsend, supported Parly's view, and advised that Paris' allies should play a stronger role in Sahel.


France has lost 41 soldiers during the Sahel mission to date.



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