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The fact is the Republican Party, conservative or not, has lost the young, the latino, the female and the non-white blocs of the United States.

 

Indeed. The Republican Party should be doing a whole lot more soul searching if it wants to be a relevant party. Otherwise, I predict the USA will be Democrat/liberal for more than the next four years, unless common sense once again comes into the picture and a more moderate, more practical leader gets elected.

 

I predict the USA getting more liberal, now that Obamao basically got his "Mandate from Heaven."

 

His victory ties up with the false prophet/antichrist thing he has for him.... <_<

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They aren't. That is why USA is in current condition...

 

Please. Compared to this President, Lenin is conservative. The fact is the Republican Party, conservative or not, has lost the young, the latino, the female and the non-white blocs of the United States.

Because they keep making issues other than the economy/deficit their talking points. Throw in TP morons saying unbelievably stupid things, and you lose again to incumbents who could have failed so easily.

 

Missouri is a perfect example. Romney won Missouri easily. Akin appears to have gotten none of that.

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I can't possibly imagine how the GOP could have lost the youth and female vote, I mean it's not like they are misogynistic gerontocrats or anything.....riiight?

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Wake up GOP. This is the consequence of ignoring the latin vote. Keep up the anti immigration discourse please.

 

Going further to the right would only lead to bigger blowouts.

 

Simon is right though. It's all about marketing. Obama has succeeded in fooling people that he is a centrist. One has to be a fool to believe it, but it worked.

 

We are all in for the ride down to the fiscal cliff and over the edge.

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Anti immigration discourse? I fail to see how expecting people to follow the laws of this country and become a citizen is anti-immigration. I would have hoped most Latino citizens would see that too.

 

Of course Connecticut would disappoint me but I had deluded myself into thinking Romney would pull it off.

 

Four years ago I didn't care all that much about who won, although I did vote for McCain. I find what this election says about our moronic population to be nothing short of depressing.

 

Excuse the rant, but when sequestration kicks in I'm pretty sure I'll lose my job, which is better than no job despite how much I complain about it.

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So honest question guys: Are any of you actually surprised and or disappointed by the thrashing Akin and Mourdock are getting?

 

I mean, here you've got two guys who go out of their way to make "family values" and women's reproductive rights a centre point of their value system, and then they go on the air and spew some of the most ignorant stuff on the matter I've heard in a long time (Akin in particular, WTF?). I mean not only does it put into question just how vile of a human being they are, but it also puts into question their ability to critically and rationally analyze issues.

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Apple vs. Microsloth.

 

Not where it counts in the Supreme Court Appointments.

 

We're gonna see more humpty dumpty textual meaning decisions when Obama gets to appoint 2 more justices.

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Are any of you actually surprised and or disappointed by the thrashing Akin and Mourdock are getting?

 

In my case, no I'm not. Mourdock and the Indiana TP trashed a good man, a man who actually voted with his party 91% of the time. That 9% difference garnered Richard Lugar the "RINO" name and out of state PAC money kept drilling the term "Obama's Favorite Senator" over the airways. Given that Mourdock's rape statement helped energize the left and was used by the Obama campaign I have to wonder tonight just who is Obama's favorite now?

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Apple vs. Microsloth.

 

Not where it counts in the Supreme Court Appointments.

 

We're gonna see more humpty dumpty textual meaning decisions when Obama gets to appoint 2 more justices.

 

Well Obama already appointed a judge with ties to a racial supremacy group, it will be exciting to see what kind of rabbits he and his minions pull out of the hat this time.

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Obama is a Centrist, compared to how far right the Senate has gone.

 

Raise taxes, cut spending. Move the fuck on.

 

We're currently $16 trillion in debt, which is roughly equal to GDP, and we are projected to continue running high deficits from here on out.

 

We have a brand new health care "system" that only "cuts" the deficit by using fiscal trickery involving spending ten years worth of revenues over six. It also ignores basic concepts of supply and demand. We have fewer doctors (declining supply) but more requirements to provide health care (increased demand). That's going to either require increase costs (who pays?) or reduction in services provided (rationing)

 

We are currently experiencing true unemployment (U6 numbers) of over 14%. "Unemployment" is being "lowered" by what the Bureau of Labor Statistics call "involuntary part-time workers", including those taking up second jobs because they're primary jobs are reducing them to part-time workers as a hedge against the health care "system" requirements.

 

We now have a functioning majority that knows - indeed tonight has proven - it can vote itself "free" stuff, essentially fulfilling that quip often attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville about the American Republic enduring until the Congress realizes it can bribe the people with the people's own money.

 

So, in looking at your comment above, the "cut spending" part isn't going to happen. Sorry, it really isn't. Unfortunately, there also isn't enough money available via taxation to "fix" things either. The $200,000/$250,000 floor Obama cites is a fantasy - you could tax everyone at/above that at 100% of their income (which is absurdity - see the Laffer Curve), hell, you could even CONFISCATE all their wealth, and it wouldn't even begin to dig us out of the fiscal hole we're in. You could even drop down to the $100,000 income level and there isn't enough money to dig us out.

 

Beyond that, we can (and are projected to) just keep borrowing. But from whom? The Chinese? They seem to be cutting off our tab. There's the Fed of course, and we're already monetizing the debt and now implementing the third multi-Trillion round of "quantitative easing". Which means printing money to keep the government and the economy afloat.

 

So, cutting spending isn't really an option. Raising taxes to insanely confiscatory levels won't solve the problem. We can't really borrow anymore and we're going to - soon I think - run smack into the wall that Margaret Thatcher spoke of when she said that the biggest problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend.

 

For historical reference tho, the term that really comes to mind tonight is "Weimar Republic".

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Taxes are at 17.5 % of GDP. Raising it any more is maybe going to get another .5% of gdp out. Anything more and you're just stomping GDP out. Obama promised to cut spending before. When's he going to start? Last year of his presidency?

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There is no way to tax yourself out the hole. Growth through paring back of non-revenue generating red tape, aggressive paring back of govt. expenditure (including defence) and essentially undoing the last 4 years is the only way to get on the long hard path. Unless Obama can tell his SIGs to screw themselves, he is never even going to get on the path. Rather, I suspect they will steer him and the country to ruin.

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For historical reference tho, the term that really comes to mind tonight is "Weimar Republic".

 

So Ameri-Hitler is coming?

 

Heh.... I don't think so.

 

More like the US becoming more and more weak economically, but still a military power until the shit really hits the fan.

 

Sorta like Byzantium. Or Rome.

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