Do We Want To Win The War Against Islamism, Part Deux

[Panzermann]

America is so tolerant of Islam that Jews Jews! face far more hate crimes than Muslims.

Who perpetrates these crimes? In Germany most are done by second generation muslim immigrants.

[Panzermann]

'World's biggest' drug kingpin El Chapo 'declares war' on ISIS - but is it what it seems? (Mirror) Edited December 11, 2015 by Panzermann

[Brian Kennedy]

I'd imagine that part of it is due to Jews being more likely to report hate crimes (and good on them, of course).

[Mr King]

German court lets off 'Sharia police' patrol in Wuppertal

 

A German court has ruled that Islamists who patrolled a city's streets as "Sharia police" did not break the law and will not be prosecuted.

Nine were arrested in September 2014 after patrolling streets in Wuppertal, western Germany. They wore bright orange jackets with the words "Sharia police". They told passers-by not to frequent discos, casinos or bars.

The court said they had not violated laws on uniforms and public gatherings.

Prosecutors have now lodged an appeal.

The group of Salafists - ultra-conservative Islamists - included Sven Lau, a preacher whose passport was seized this year after he visited Syria and a photo surfaced, showing him posing on a tank, with a Kalashnikov rifle slung around his neck.

He is suspected of trying to recruit Muslims to join jihadists fighting in Syria or Iraq and has spent some time in prison previously. He said he had gone to war-torn Syria in 2013 on a humanitarian mission.

All aspects of a Muslim's life are governed by Sharia, the revealed, sacred law of Islam.

The group's appearance at night in Wuppertal, in the industrial Ruhr region, triggered sharp criticism in Germany. A film of their "patrol" appeared on YouTube- but the action was condemned by the Central Council of Muslims in Germany, who said it was "harmful to Muslims".

The group also carried notices proclaiming in English a "Sharia Controlled Zone". The notices spelled out prohibitions like those in force in some Gulf Arab countries, outlawing alcohol, drugs, gambling, music and concerts, pornography and prostitution.

Activists in the anti-Islam Pegida movement - campaigning to stop immigration to Germany - demonstrated in Wuppertal last year. They have staged regular marches against "the Islamisation of Germany" nationwide.

 

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35059488

[BansheeOne]

Yeah, court found that merely wearing reflective vests was not violating the ban against uniformed congregations that goes back to the experience of various parties having their armed formations in the Weimar Republic. Which is of course correct, or there would be a problem with legally mandated stewards at demonstrations and other events who tend to wear the same. Indeed the court also judged this a political demonstration, and the group's head Sven Lau (another convert) is the only one against whom a charge was admitted for failing to register it with authorities beforehand.

 

Frankly, the whole Sharia Police thing turned out to be a recruiting stunt aimed at generating publicity through controversy, which obviously suceeded admirably; the guys filmed themselves and put the images on the internet, waiting for the inevitable backlash. Prosecution will file a complaint against the decision not to open trial, but that's one of the areas where it's hard to avoid compromising Western liberties because they are used by Islamists for their purposes.

 

Meanwhile, baby steps in Saudi Arabia.

 

Saudi Arabia: First woman councillor elected

1 hour ago

A woman has won a seat on a municipal council for the first time in Saudi Arabia, after the kingdom lifted its bar on women taking part in elections.

 

Salma bint Hizab al-Oteibi won a seat in Mecca province in Saturday's vote, the electoral commission said.

 

The election was the first where women were allowed to vote and stand as candidates, and is being viewed as a landmark in the conservative kingdom.

 

Saudi women still face many curbs in public life, including driving.

 

A total of 978 women registered as candidates, alongside 5,938 men.

 

Officials said about 130,000 women had registered to vote in Saturday's poll, compared with 1.35 million men.

 

The disparity was attributed by female voters to bureaucratic obstacles and a lack of transport, the AFP news agency says.

 

Female candidates were also not allowed to address male voters directly during campaigning. Turnout was high, state media reported.

 

Ms Oteibi won a seat on the council in Madrakah in Mecca province, the president of the election commission, Osama al-Bar, told the official SPA news agency.

 

She was running against seven men and two women, Mr Bar was quoted as saying.

 

Elections of any kind are rare in the Saudi kingdom - Saturday was only the third time in history that Saudis had gone to the polls.

 

There were no elections in the 40 years between 1965 and 2005.

 

The decision to allow women to take part was taken by the late King Abdullah and is seen as a key part of his legacy.

 

In announcing the reforms, King Abdullah said women in Saudi Arabia "have demonstrated positions that expressed correct opinions and advice".

 

Before he died in January, he appointed 30 women to the country's top advisory Shura Council.

 

There were 2,100 council seats available in Saturday's vote. An additional 1,050 seats are appointed with approval from the king.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35086357

[Panzermann]

Well what did the "sharia police" actually do? They were running around and were getting on people's nerves. Well, that may generate some harassment charges or something.

 

But to pull out laws against uniformed party armies I find a rather odd choice.

[WRW]

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/12/13/number-of-muslims-refused-entry-doubles-at-one-irish-airport

 

this would be my nearest Int Airport in Ireland

 

if we have a Paris type attack - it will be bad, response time will not be as fast

[BansheeOne]

Indeed the court also judged this a political demonstration, and the group's head Sven Lau (another convert) is the only one against whom a charge was admitted for failing to register it with authorities beforehand.

 

Speaking of Mr. Sharia Police Chief.

 

German Salafist 'Sharia Police' preacher Sven Lau detained

 

One of Germany's most prominent Islamist preachers has been arrested on the suspicion of supporting a terrorist organization in Syria. Sven Lau is known as the leader of the so-called "Sharia Police" in Wuppertal.

The 35-year-old Salafist preacher Sven Lau was detained on Tuesday morning in the town of Mönchengladbach in North Rhine-Westphalia, according to Spiegel Online and WDR.

 

The German Salafist convert is suspected of supporting the Syria-based "Jaish al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar" (JMA), which Germany lists as a terrorist organization.

 

The Federal Prosecutor's office suspects him of being the JMA's main contact person in Germany's Rhine region, recruiting two jihadists and supporting the terrorist organization both financially and logistically, Spiegel Online reported. Lau was thought to have bought three night vision devices for the jihadists and to have delivered 250 euros ($ 275) in cash to a jihadist fighter in Syria.

 

The JMA pledged allegiance to the Al-Qaeda affiliated al-Nusra Front in September. A breakaway group earlier joined the "Islamic State" (IS). According to AFP, the prosecutors charged that the wing of JMA that Sven Lau belonged to backed IS.

 

Sven Lau's lawyer, Mutlu Günal, has not commented on these accusations yet.

 

[...]

 

http://www.dw.com/en/german-salafist-sharia-police-preacher-sven-lau-detained/a-18918127

 

I'm prompted by separate news to point out that Lau was won for the cause by Germany's nost notorious Salafi preacher, former professional boxer Pierre Vogel, a convert himself. It was reported today that Vogel's dad is a Hell's Angel who is currently being investigated over charges of forming a criminal association, of the secular kind, at the ripe old age of 63. That must be interesting theological debates at family reunions.

[bojan]

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/dutch-ypg-fighter-arrested-for-killing-isis-terrorists/

[Mr King]

Well can't really say that is a surprise.

[Panzermann]

The netherlands have jurisdiction in Syria since when exactly?

[Panzermann]

 

Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser laughing at the Muslim Brotherhood in 1958 for suggesting that women should be required to wear the hijab and that Islamic law should be enforced across the country.

[BansheeOne]

The netherlands have jurisdiction in Syria since when exactly?

 

Most nations prosecute their citizens for acts that are felonies under domestic law and they committed abroad if local authorities didn't/couldn't, like because the suspect skipped back home. It usually beats extraditing your citizens to foreign jurisdiction which some nations like Germany never did under constitutional rules, and even today are doing only within the EU or to international courts if appropriate.

 

There are of course definite "international" crimes like piracy and crimes against humanity which can be prosecuted by any nation apprehending the suspect, no matter what his or her nationality; see the recent Frankfurt trial against a Rwandan mayor over his role in the 1994 genocide. Some nations give themselves rather far-ranging authority in such things, which tends to end up embarrassing them when activist judges go after Israeli prime ministers like in Belgium and Spain IIRC; Pinochet was also arrested in the UK on orders of a Spanish judge, which eventually triggered legal engagement of his rule back home after the long time of agreement to not touch the past.

 

But more to the point, we have been prosecuting German kiddie sex tourists on charges of child abuse committed in Thailand etc., and also jihadi tourists who travelled back and forth from Germany to fight in Syria-Iraq after specifically extending the code for "severe felonies endangering the state". This doesn't usually seem to cover fighting against the IS et al though, even if the case could be made that the YPG is the Syrian arm of the PKK which is listed as a terrorist organization by the EU; at least I'm not aware of any charges being filed against such fighters of which there has been a number, albeit they mostly come to the attention of the public when they return to Germany dead like that African-German girl from Duisburg last March.

[Panzermann]

Letter to Al-Baghdadi

 

Join hundreds of Muslim leaders and Scholars worldwide in their Open Letter to Baghdadi.

 

Executive Summary

1. It is forbidden in Islam to issue fatwas without all

the necessary learning requirements. Even then fatwas must follow Islamic legal theory as defined in the Classical texts. It is also forbidden to cite a portion of a verse from the Quranor part of a verseto derive a ruling without looking at everything that the Quran and Hadith teach related to that matter. In other words, there are strict

subjective and objective prerequisites for fatwas ,

and one cannot cherry-pick Quranic verses for.legal arguments without considering the entire Quran and Hadith .

 

It is forbidden in Islam to issue legal rulings about

anything without mastery of the Arabic language.

 

3. It is forbidden in Islam to oversimplify Shariah matters and ignore established Islamic sciences.

 

4. It is permissible in Islam [for scholars] to differ on any matter, except those fundamentals of religion that all Muslims must know.

 

5. It is forbidden in Islam to ignore the reality of

contemporary times when deriving legal rulings.

 

6. It is forbidden in Islam to kill the innocent.

 

7. It is forbidden in Islam to kill emissaries, ambassadors, and diplomats; hence it is forbidden to kill journalists and aid workers.

 

8. Jihad in Islam is defensive war. It is not permissible without the right cause, the right purpose and without the right rules of conduct.

 

9. It is forbidden in Islam to declare people non-

Muslim unless he (or she) openly declares disbelief.

 

10. It is forbidden in Islam to harm or mistreatin any wayChristians or any People of the Scripture.

 

11. It is obligatory to consider Yazidis as People of the

Scripture.

 

12. The re-introduction of slavery is forbidden in Islam. It was abolished by universal consensus.

 

13. It is forbidden in Islam to force people to convert.

 

14. It is forbidden in Islam to deny women their rights.

 

15. It is forbidden in Islam to deny children their rights.

 

16. It is forbidden in Islam to enact legal punishments

(hudud ) without following the correct procedures that ensure justice and mercy.

 

17. It is forbidden in Islam to torture people.

 

18. It is forbidden in Islam to disfigure the dead.

 

19. It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to God

.

20. It is forbidden in Islam to destroy the graves and shrines of Prophets and Companions.

 

21. Armed insurrection is forbidden in Islam for any reason other than clear disbelief by the ruler and not allowing people to pray.

 

22. It is forbidden in Islam to declare a caliphate without consensus from all Muslims.

 

23. Loyalty to ones nation is permissible in Islam.

 

24. After the death of the Prophet , Islam does not require anyone to emigrate anywhere.

http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/

[lucklucky]

https://twitter.com/diarioeconomico/status/691976289327054849

 

Rome- Nude statues covered because Iranian visit.

Edited January 26, 2016 by lucklucky

[Paul G.]

 

Letter to Al-Baghdadi

 

Join hundreds of Muslim leaders and Scholars worldwide in their Open Letter to Baghdadi.

 

Executive Summary

1. It is forbidden in Islam to issue fatwas without all

the necessary learning requirements. Even then fatwas must follow Islamic legal theory as defined in the Classical texts. It is also forbidden to cite a portion of a verse from the Quranor part of a verseto derive a ruling without looking at everything that the Quran and Hadith teach related to that matter. In other words, there are strict

subjective and objective prerequisites for fatwas ,

and one cannot cherry-pick Quranic verses for.legal arguments without considering the entire Quran and Hadith .

 

It is forbidden in Islam to issue legal rulings about

anything without mastery of the Arabic language.

 

3. It is forbidden in Islam to oversimplify Shariah matters and ignore established Islamic sciences.

 

4. It is permissible in Islam [for scholars] to differ on any matter, except those fundamentals of religion that all Muslims must know.

 

5. It is forbidden in Islam to ignore the reality of

contemporary times when deriving legal rulings.

 

6. It is forbidden in Islam to kill the innocent.

 

7. It is forbidden in Islam to kill emissaries, ambassadors, and diplomats; hence it is forbidden to kill journalists and aid workers.

 

8. Jihad in Islam is defensive war. It is not permissible without the right cause, the right purpose and without the right rules of conduct.

 

9. It is forbidden in Islam to declare people non-

Muslim unless he (or she) openly declares disbelief.

 

10. It is forbidden in Islam to harm or mistreatin any wayChristians or any People of the Scripture.

 

11. It is obligatory to consider Yazidis as People of the

Scripture.

 

12. The re-introduction of slavery is forbidden in Islam. It was abolished by universal consensus.

 

13. It is forbidden in Islam to force people to convert.

 

14. It is forbidden in Islam to deny women their rights.

 

15. It is forbidden in Islam to deny children their rights.

 

16. It is forbidden in Islam to enact legal punishments

(hudud ) without following the correct procedures that ensure justice and mercy.

 

17. It is forbidden in Islam to torture people.

 

18. It is forbidden in Islam to disfigure the dead.

 

19. It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to God

.

20. It is forbidden in Islam to destroy the graves and shrines of Prophets and Companions.

 

21. Armed insurrection is forbidden in Islam for any reason other than clear disbelief by the ruler and not allowing people to pray.

 

22. It is forbidden in Islam to declare a caliphate without consensus from all Muslims.

 

23. Loyalty to ones nation is permissible in Islam.

 

24. After the death of the Prophet , Islam does not require anyone to emigrate anywhere.

http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/

 

 

Should dump these as leaflets over ISIS controled areas.

 

As for the letter to al Baghdadi I have the Ideal delivery service

 

[Panzermann]

Problem is, the radicals consider only their interpretation of Islam as the one true way. They consider other muslims as kuffar as well, if they have a differing opinion of what Islam is supposed to be.

Edited January 26, 2016 by Panzermann

[Ivanhoe]

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/fbi-thwarts-mass-shooting-at-milwaukee-masonic-temple-b99659005z1-366609371.html

 

A terrorist-style plot intended to kill dozens of people with automatic weapons at a Masonic center in Milwaukee was foiled this week by FBI agents, federal prosecutors said Tuesday.

 

Samy Mohamed Hamzeh discussed his plan to attack the center with two others, detailing how they would quickly and quietly kill the first people they saw and then methodically move through the building, "eliminating everyone" they encountered, according to a federal criminal complaint.

 

Hamzeh, 23, has been charged with possessing a machine gun and a silencer. Despite indications of an attempted act of terrorism, Hamzeh is not charged with any terrorism counts.

 

"We are Muslims, defending Muslim religion, we are on our own, my dear, we have organized our own group," Hamzeh said, according to the criminal complaint, adding he was confident it would trigger more attacks in the United States.

 

Stonecutters dodged a bullet, so to speak.

 

[Soren Ras]

Stonecutters dodged a bullet, so to speak.

If you ask me, the bastards would have had it coming for making Steve Guttenberg a star.

 

--

Soren

[Simon Tan]

Halab is a bad place to be. There are tigers in Hslab.

[Wobbly Head]

British ISIS fighter who called himself 'Supaman' but returned to UK because Syria was too cold is jailed for seven years (daily mail)

'U need to get used to the cold water and no electricity. Everyday use cold water, u will probably get your first shower when u get to your mudhafa [annex].

The house u stay in before the muaskar [training camp]. It's tough bro lol, A

LOT of patience is required [sic].

'Start eating small amounts of food to get used to it, because u will be sharing your food as soon as u arrive. Bland food btw lol, inshallah it will be better when u get to mudhafa. Also u need to decide where u wana get placed.

Alhamdulillah. I chose Halab [Aleppo]. We're placed in Menbej, small town, no action, just normal life alhamdulillah [sic].'

:lol:

and no decent pub anywhere!

No pubs but you can get stoned anytime and the local commander has a nice line of vests to keep you very warm for for a millisecond.

[Panzermann]

A network of fake firms owned by islamist terrorists for money laundering and tax fraud uncovered in Bavaria. They used the naive habit of european tax collectors to pay back VAT without much questions asked. They faked transactions leveraging cross border electricity trade and claimed the tax refunds. And then closed the fake firms.

 

http://www.swr3.de/aktuell/nachrichten/Scheinfirmen-von-Terroristen-in-Bayern-aufgedeckt/-/id=47428/did=3734536/wmin3f/index.html(in german)

 

They call it "economic djihad".

Edited February 16, 2016 by Panzermann

[BansheeOne]

State of foreign fighters who have travelled to Syria-Iraq from Germany:

 

July 2015 - ca. 720, of which ca. 100 have been killed.

 

February 2016 - 800+, of which 130+ have been killed.

 

Overall, the flow has slowed somewhat. Of the total, over 60 percent are German citizens, about a sixth converts to Islam, about 20 percent women, but the majority men aged 22-25; about a third has returned.

[Marek Tucan]

What's happening with these who returned? Any prosecution cases?

[Stargrunt6]

Bosnian muslim authority bans radical mosques

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/077472fc0c734c649c5db40c804f772f/bosnias-muslim-leaders-ban-radical-islamists-congregations