Yugo Infantry Weapons Inventory In 1985...

[Chris Werb]

M7 Priests were also still in storage in 1991. but none knows for sure what happened to them - since they were probably located only in Serbia and Macedonia thise probably got scrapped w/o much fuss.

 

That's crying shame. I'm sure they'd have fetched good money from MV enthusiasts even back then.

[Typhoid Maxx]

We could not even sell T55's as scrap metal.

[bojan]

60something were sold to Cambodia...

Edited July 25, 2012 by bojan

[RETAC21]

On the Yugo list one piece of strangeness is a 7,9mm Browning M1919. How did that one come about.

 

On the Spanish list, it seems strange that almost all the light anti aircraft inventory (above 20mm) was modern (either Spanish or Swedish manufactured 40mm L70). I also thought that Spain had both the US M117 and M118 90mm HAA guns in service in this period.

 

The 90mm is likely to be this: Cañones antiaéreos de 90/50 mm: 116, while for the 40mm, this are likely to be Civil war leftovers:

 

Cañones antiaéreos de 40/60 mm. (fijos) 3

Cañones antiaéreos de 40/60 mm. (móviles) 10

[Typhoid Maxx]

60something were sold to Cambodia...

 

Really? Even the Macedonians did not want any, Bulgarians off loaded theirs previously, though as a gift, scrap metal, or aid, I forget - just know it was not as paid for MBT's.

[Typhoid Maxx]

What kind? Not base model, surely...Uprated SUV-84 versions? Heard their were rumors, that the SUV (FCS) for the M84 was originally meant for T55 fleet, like the M60 RISE but with second gen passive Night Sights instead of Thermals...some ambitious JugoImport T55 upgrade programs were parroted around, but paid little head - JugoImport has always been far more ambitious in BS item tech details than they ever mastered salesmanship (minus bribes and proviso's), web design, or objective reality.

 

MY take - baseline used models would be ideal GIFT to the enemy - Kosovo, say.

 

Something to shoot at.

Edited July 28, 2012 by Typhoid Maxx

[bojan]

What kind? Not base model, surely...Uprated SUV-84 versions?

Bog standard, refurbished Czech made T-55A.

 

Heard their were rumors, that the SUV (FCS) for the M84 was originally meant for T55 fleet, like the M60 RISE but with second gen passive Night Sights instead of Thermals...

No SUV-84 was developed for M-84 first. There was other one that lacked some details (some stabilization modes) of SUV-84 that was planned for modernized T-55s (modernization was also supposed to include additional passive armor).

That FCS was was actually used on Indian upgraded T-55s and close derivate was used on prototype Iranian upgraded M60A1, Egyptian T-55 upgrade and probably few more that I forgot.

[Typhoid Maxx]

Got you, ever the living Encyclopedia...surprised they were worth the weight in transport to Cambodia...damn.

 

Also, interesting on the FCS implementation - far more than I heard. Mind, most you hear you disregard unless you know your stuff...lot of crap reported about Yugo/ex-Yugo arms, such as the M84 upgraded-called-whatever-now can fire Bumbar/Eryx guided from main gun (also "we have anti air craft rocket called Luna" "it is an unguided surface to surface missile cannot hit a city" "no, is anti aircraft" "it is an unguided POS" "no, must be anti air - called Luna: means Moon in Russian. Air defense rocket, must be"*)

 

Thanks.

 

* rest of the conversation is either mental projection or real life banging head against wall.

[bojan]

Added missing thing, fixes and explanations...

 

After new year - 1965 inventory.

Edited December 31, 2014 by bojan

[Dawes]

Many of us USians bought the Yugoslav M-48 rifles when they were imported into this country starting in the late 1990's (?). I recall they were advertised as having teak stocks, but this was later discredited (birch, beech, or elm stocks?). Not sure why Yugoslavia would need to stock rifles in teak anyway.

 

The below rifle is marked "M48A" but according to Branko Bogdanovic's book "Serbian and Yugoslav Mauser Rifles" this might be an M48B as the designation apparently was never changed on the newer variant.

 

 

[bojan]

1965... As previously list was compiled year or two before, so misses few weapons that were introduced in 1965-65.

 

Country of origin:
( a ) - USA
( b ) - Belgium

(bu) - Bulgaria
( e ) - UK

(fi) - Finland

( č ) - Czechoslovakia
( n ) - Germany
( š ) - Spain
( m ) - Hungary
( au ) - Austro-Hungary or Austria
( s ) - USSR or Russia
( f ) - France

Dagger M51 (standard bayonet)
Pistol 7.62mm M57 (local TT copy) 7.62x25mm
Pistol 7.62mm Mauser M96 (n) - Mauser C-96 7.62x25mm
Pistol 7.62mm TT M30 (s) - Tokarev 1930 7.62x25mm
Pistol 7.62mm TT M30/33 (s) - Tokarev 1933 7.62x25mm
Pistol 7.65mm Beretta M40 (i) - Beretta 1935 .32 ACP
Pistol 7.65mm Beretta M15/19 (i) - Beretta 1915/19 .32 ACP
Pistol 7.65mm Browning M09 ( b ) - FN 1910 .32 ACP
Pistol 7.65mm Elbar (f) - Ruby models .32 ACP
Pistol 7.65mm Mauser (n) - Mauser 1914 .32 ACP
Pistol 7.65mm Mauser M27 (n) - Mauser HSc .32 ACP
Pistol 7.65mm Parabelum M08 (n) 7.65x21mm Luger
Pistol 7.65mm SACM (f) - Mle1935S 7.65mm French
Pistol 7.65mm Steyr (n) - Steyr-Pieper 1908/34 .32 ACP
Pistol 7.65mm Walther M27 (n) - PP .32 ACP

Pistol 7.65mm Colt M03 - Colt Pocket Hammerless model probably
Pistol 8mm Steyr (n) - Roth-Steyr 1907, 8mm Steyr
Pistol 9mm Astra M400 (š) 9x19mm - Astra 400 and 600

Pistol 9mm Beretta M40 - Beretta 1934

Pistol 9mm Browning M10/22 - FN 1922 .380 ACP
Pistol 9mm Herstal ( b ) - FN HP-35 9x19mm
Pistol 9mm Colt M1911 (a) - unknown, possibly Colt .38 Super Auto or wrongly attributed Spanish copy...
Pistol 9mm Llama (š) 9x19..
Pistol 9mm Parabelum M08 (n) 9x19mm
Pistol 9mm Star (š) - Star B 9x19mm
Pistol 9mm Steyr M12 (n) - Steyr 1912 9x19mm

Pistol 9mm Zbrajovka M24 (č) CZ Vz.24 .380 ACP
Pistol 7.65mm Zbrajovka M27 (č) CZ Vz.27 .32 ACP

Pistol 7.65mm Zbrajovka M27 with long barrel and silencer (č) .32 ACP

Pistol 9mm Zbrajovka M38 (č) CZ-38 .380 ACP
Pistol 9mm Walther M38 (n) - P-38 9x19mm

Pistol 11.25mm Colt M1914 (unknown origin) - Norwegian Colt, .45 ACP
Pistol 11.43mm Colt M1911A1 (a) .45 ACP

Pistol, silenced 7,65mm (e) - Welrod .32 ACP

Revolver with silencer 7.62mm Nagant M14 (s) - silenced Nagant
Revolver 7.62mm Nagant M95 (s)
Revolver 9mm Colt (a) - Colt Police Positive, .38 S&W
Revolver 9mm Webley (e) - Webley Mk.IV and Enfield No.2 in .38-200/.38 S&W

Revolver 11.43mm Webley (e) - Webley Mk.VI, .455

Revolver 9.64mm Colt (a) - Colt Army Special/Official Police/Commando .38 Special
Revolver 9.64mm Smith-Wesson (a) - S&W M&P .38 Special

Pistol, signal 26mm (s)

Pistol, signal 26mm (n)
Pistol, signal 26mm (i)
Pistol, signal 26mm M57
Pistol, signal 26mm with double barrels (n)
Pistol, signal 26mm (au)
Pistol signal 26mm (a)
Pistol signal, 26mm Yugoslavian - pre-ww2
Pistol signal 26mm ( b )
Pistol signal 26mm (č)

SMG 11.43mm Thompson M1A1 (a)
SMG 11.43mm Thompson M1 (a)
SMG 11.43mm Thompson M1928A1 (a)

SMG 11.43mm M3 (a)
SMG 7.62mm M49/57
SMG 7.62mm M56
SMG 7.62mm PPD M40 (s)
SMG 7.62mm PPSh M41 (s)
SMG 9mm Steyr M41 (au) - Steyr MP-34

SMG 9mm Beretta M35/38 (i)
SMG 9mm Beretta M38 (i)
SMG 9mm Beretta M38/42 (i)
SMG 9mm Beretta M40 (i)
SMG 9mm Beretta M41/42 (i)
SMG 9mm M40 (n) - MP-40

SMG, paratrooper 7.9mm M43 (n) - StG-44

SMG, silenced 9mm Sten Mk.IIS (e)

Carbine 7.62mm M44 (s) - Mosin-Nagant M44 carbine

Carbine 7.62mm M44 w/o bayonet (s)
Carbine 7.62mm M38 (s) Mosin-Nagant M38 carbine
Rifle 7.62mm M91/30 (s) - Mosin Nagant M91/30
Rifle 7.62mm M91 (s) - Mosin-Nagant M91
Rifle, sniper 7.62mm M91/30 w/o bayonet mount (s)
Rifle 7.9mm M48
Rifle 7.9mm M24

Rifle 7.9mm M24/47
Rifle 7.9mm M24/52 (č) - reworked Czech made Vz.24 rifles
Rifle, sniper 7.9mm M98/48 (n) reworked Gew 98/Kar 98 sniper rifles

Rifle 7.9mm M98/40 (n) - Gew 98/40

Rifle 7.9mm M98/48 (n) - reworked Kar98k

Rifle, sniper 7.9mm M98 (n)

Rifle 7.9mm M98 (n) - Kar 98k

Rifle 7.9mm M33/40 (č) - Gew 33/40

Automatic rifle 7.62mm AVT M40 (s) - Tokarev AVT-40

Semi-auto rifle, sniper 7.62mm SVT M42 (s) - Tokarev SVT-40 with scope
Semi-auto rifle 7.62mm SVT M40 (s)
Semi-auto rifle 7.62mm M59
Semi-auto rifle 7.9mm Mauser M41 (n) - Mauser G41M
Semi-auto rifle 7.9mm Mauser M43 (n) - Mauser G43

Semi-auto rifle, sniper 7.9mm Mauser M43 (n) - Scoped G43

Semi-auto rifle, 7.62mm M1 (a) - M1 Garand

Semi-auto carbine, 7.62mm M1 (a) - M1 Carbine

Automatic carbine, 7.62mm M2 (a) - M2 Carbine

Semi-auto heavy rifle 14.5mm PTRS M41 (s)

Heavy rifle 14.5mm PTRD M41 (s)

Machinegun 7.62mm Browning M1919 (a)
Machinegun 7.9mm Browning M1919 (a)
Machinegun 7.9mm M53 on tripod M42 (n)
Machinegun 7.9mm M42(n) on tripod M52
Machinegun 7.9mm Fiat M35 (i)

Heavy machinegun 12.7mm Browning M2HB (a) on tripod M3 (a)
Heavy machinegun 12.7mm Browning M2HB (a) on mount M63 (a)
Heavy machinegun 12.7mm DShK M38 (s)

Rifle-machinegun (aka LMG/aka SAW) 7.62mm DP M27 (s)
Rifle-machinegun 7.62mm DT (s)
Rifle-machinegun 7.62mm DT w/o bipod (s)
Rifle-machinegun 7.62mm DTM (s)
Rifle-machinegun 7.62mm Kalasnikov (s) - RPK

Rifle-machinegun 7.9mm M53

Rifle-machinegun 7.9mm Šarac M34 (n) - MG-34
Rifle-machinegun 7.9mm Šarac M42 (n) - MG-42
Rifle-machinegun 7.9mm Zbrajovka M26 (č) - ZB-26
Rifle-machinegun 7.9mm Zbrajovka M30 (č) - ZB-30
Rifle-machinegun 7.9mm Zbrajovka M36 (č)

Obsolete weapons:
SMG 9mm Beretta M30
SMG 9mm Shmeiser M28 (n) - MP-28
SMG 9mm Sten Mk.II (e)
SMG 9mm Sten Mk.III (e)

SMG Tanos 9mm (a) - United Defense UD-42

SMG 9mm M31 (fi) - Suomi

SMG 7.65mm M38 (f) - MAS Mle.38

Machinegun 8mm Breda M37 (i)

Machinegun 7.62mm Maxim M10/30 (s)

Machinegun 7.62mm Maxim M10 (s)

Machinegun 7.9mm M08 (n)

Machinegun 7.9mm M07/12/24(au) - Schwartslose 07/12 converted to 7.92x57mm

Rifle-machinegun 7.7mm M15 (e) - Lewis

Rifle-machinegun 7.7mm Bren (e)

Rifle-machinegun 7.5mm M24/29 (f)

Rifle-machinegun 7.9mm M24/29 (f) - 7.92x57 version of French LMG??? German or local conversion?

Rifle-machinegun 8mm Madsen M12 (bu)

Rifle-machinegun 8mm M33 (bu) - Bulgarian Vz.33 LMGs. almost identical to Bren, in 8x56R caliber.

Rifle-machinegun 7.9mm M13 (n) - MG-13

Rifle-machinegun, airforce 7.9mm M15 (n) - ground version of MG-15

Rifle-machinegun, airforce 7.9mm M15 (n) w/o bipod

Rifle-machinegun 7.9mm M30 (n) - MG-30

Rifle-machinegun 6.5mm Breda M30 (i)

Rifle, 6.5mm M91 (i)

Rifle, sniper, 6.5mm M38 (i)

Rifle, 6.5mm M38 (i)

Carbine 6.5mm M91 (i)

Carbine 6.5mm M91 w/o bayonet (i)

Carbine 6.5mm M38 (i)

Carbine 6.5mm M38 (i) w/o bayonet

Rifle 7.35mm M38 (i)

Rifle 7.9mm M38 (i) - 7.92x57 Carcano version???

Rifle, 7.9mm M95M (m) - 7.92x57 conversion of Mannlicher 1895

Rifle, sniper 8mm M95

Rifle, 8mm M95 (m)

Rifle, 8mm M95/31 (m)

Rifle, 8mm M35 (m)

Rifle, silenced 7.62mm M91/30 (s) - selenced Mosin-Nagant???

Heavy rifle 7.9mm M39 (n) - PzB 39

Heavy rifle 20mm M38 (i) - Solothurn 20mm AT-rifle

Pistol 9mm Radom-WiS M35 (p)

Pistol 7.65mm FAB (i) - Frommer 1912 .32 ACP captured from Italians
Pistol 7.65mm M37 (m) - Femaru 1937 .32 ACP
Pistol 7.65mm Praga (č) - Praga 1919 .32 ACP
Pistol 7.65mm Sanera (š) - Ruby version .32 APC
Pistol 7.65mm Saurer (n) - Sauer 1938 .32 ACP
Pistol 7.65mm FAB M10 (m) - Frommer 1912 .32 ACP
Pistol 9mm Fromer M10 (m) - Frommer 1912 .380 ACP
Pistol 9mm Pregner M37 (m) - Femaru 1937 .380 ACP

Pistol 7.65mm Astra (š) - Astra 300 .32 ACP

Pistol 9mm Astra (š) - Astra 300 .380 ACP

Revolver 9mm Astra (š) - ???
Revolver 9mm Gaser (n) - Gaser Kropatschek 1876, 9mm Gasser
Revolver 8mm Steyr M98 (au) - Rast-Gasser 1898, 8mm Gasser

Revolver 7.5mm Nagant M91 - Serbian Nagant 1891

Revolver 8mm M92 (f) - French Mle.1892 revolver

Revolver 8mm M16 (š) - Spanish S&W and Colt copies in French 8mm cartridge

Revolver 10.4mm M89 (i) - Bodeo 1889

Grenade launcher 7.9mm M39 - GrB39

As with previous list this does not include weapons in some air force or navy depots.

Edited April 19, 2017 by bojan

[bd1]

i wonder what were the amounts of each? more exotic were probably counted in low dozens?

[Gorka L. Martinez-Mezo]

 

On the Yugo list one piece of strangeness is a 7,9mm Browning M1919. How did that one come about.

 

On the Spanish list, it seems strange that almost all the light anti aircraft inventory (above 20mm) was modern (either Spanish or Swedish manufactured 40mm L70). I also thought that Spain had both the US M117 and M118 90mm HAA guns in service in this period.

The 90mm is likely to be this: Cañones antiaéreos de 90/50 mm: 116, while for the 40mm, this are likely to be Civil war leftovers:

 

Cañones antiaéreos de 40/60 mm. (fijos) 3

Cañones antiaéreos de 40/60 mm. (móviles) 10

 

 

I agree; a small number of Bofors 40/60mm were obtained by the Republic in the later stages of the SCW and were used with a lot of success in the Ebro. Survivors were among the best AA guns available after the war and spares could be obtained from Germany.

 

The various 88s in service (the "44" are Spanish built FT-44) were modified to use US fuzes like the VT one of the 90/50 greatly improving its AA capability. Also, more modern FCS systems were adapted fro the 88s.

 

Cañones antiaéreos de 40/70 mm. (ayuda) 90

 

I guess these came from MAP, but no idea where they were built

Cañones antiaéreos de 40/70 mm. (españoles) 97

 

And these are license built one, lots of 40/70 being made for use by the army and Navy.

[bojan]

i wonder what were the amounts of each? more exotic were probably counted in low dozens?

 

Everything in standard list was available in decent amounts with enough ammunition or was compatible with other weapons (like Norwegian Colt 1914). Obsolete part was often due the fact only small amount was available (pretty decent Sauer 38H pistol was in obsolete category while ancient Roth-Steyr 1907 was in standard category...).

There is also a fact that a lot of obsolete category weapons were sold, eg. a lot of Mannlicher 1895 and Carcanos were sold to Ethiopia in '50s, old ex-French weapons were sold to Algeria, ex-UK ones to Egypt and Kenya etc.

One exceptions were pistols that were always in somewhat short issue (as they were not judged to be crucial for army, but were important for TO units) so everything was kept available.

Edited January 3, 2015 by bojan