The Insane Rationalizations, Bigotry And Out Right Hypocrisy Of The Left

[Phil]

It's not about religion or maturity at all. It's about domination. Some Muslims feel threatened by the culture and power of the West thus like the already sulking teenager their tempers and tolerance are on hair triggers. Put Christians in thr same boat and you get Christian fundamentalists. They are not widespread because Christendom is doing a whole lot better than Islamic societies in general.

 

Christians aren't any more broad shouldered. They are just in their comfort zones and behave accordingly. Remove them from said comfort zone and the effects are the same. Look at Christian fundanentalism in the early 20th century.

 

It's not a religious problem. It's a problem of a whole society feeling threatened, dominated and powerless and religion is simply one vehicle for their hair triggers.

 

I'm not being a hippy, I don't sympathise with their feelings. I'm just telling it like it is.

[Mobius]

It's not about religion or maturity at all. It's about domination. Some Muslims feel threatened by the culture and power of the West thus like the already sulking teenager their tempers and tolerance are on hair triggers. Put Christians in thr same boat and you get Christian fundamentalists. They are not widespread because Christendom is doing a whole lot better than Islamic societies in general.

 

Christians aren't any more broad shouldered. They are just in their comfort zones and behave accordingly. Remove them from said comfort zone and the effects are the same. Look at Christian fundanentalism in the early 20th century.

 

It's not a religious problem. It's a problem of a whole society feeling threatened, dominated and powerless and religion is simply one vehicle for their hair triggers.

We've seen what happens when this bunch does get into power. So go tell it to the Byzantiums, the Indians, and any many others that don't convert.

[Rick]

Liberals, especially the one's in government, have as their greatest sin that of greed for power. They do not "care for the ________." It is all about controlling people via laws and regulations. Their quest for self-righteousness has caused a great amount of class envy, political correctness, and loss of life and property. Libralism hightens and manipulates those common emotions and choices of covetness, slough, and jealousy.

Liberals in the sciences and arts allow themselves to be used by fame and fad, truth be damned. Many of us believe some pro athletes are prima donnas but they have nothing on a "scientist" who lusts to have a phenomenon or "discovery" or far more often another name for an old problem named after them.

This unfortunate sepsis floods culture with the lies, fashions and fads that must feed the obese ego of the liberal.

[Phil]

I think it's striking just how sensitive Christians were over religious matters when Islam was in its 'ascendancy'.

[lucklucky]

You mean when Islam was(and still is) conquering violently?

[Sardaukar]

Deus Vult!

[Mobius]

I think it's striking just how sensitive Christians were over religious matters when Islam was in its 'ascendancy'.

Yeah, I guess those close minded people are just overly sensitive about those 'ascendancy' things..

When Sultan Iltutmish (d 1236) was asked why Hindus weren’t given the choice between death and Islam, he replied:

 

“but at the moment in India...the Muslims are so few that they are like salt (in a large dish) ...however after a few years when in the capital and the regions and all the small towns, when the Muslims are well established and the troops are larger....it would be possible to give Hindus the choice of death or Islam” (cited in Lal [c] p 538) (Can we learn anything from this???)

Edited August 30, 2012 by Mobius

[Mobius]

I think it's striking just how sensitive Christians were over religious matters when Islam was in its 'ascendancy'.

Yeah, I guess those close minded people are just overly sensitive about those 'ascendancy' things..

When Sultan Iltutmish (d 1236) was asked why Hindus weren’t given the choice between death and Islam, he replied:

 

 

 

“but at the moment in India...the Muslims are so few that they are like salt (in a large dish) ...however after a few years when in the capital and the regions and all the small towns, when the Muslims are well established and the troops are larger....it would be possible to give Hindus the choice of death or Islam” (cited in Lal [c] p 538)

 

 

The Muslim conquest of India was probably the bloodiest in history:

The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with utmost glee and pride of the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave-markets, and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by the sword in this period”

(historian Durant cited in Khan p 201)

[Phil]

The higher the heat the more corn starts popping. Look at the violence in Northern Ireland. Religion was one catalyst and conduit for violence that had at its root questions of control and a feeling of threat. It seems to me to be normal human behaviour. Sadly.

[Ivanhoe]

Northern Ireland a religious war?

 

Oh. Dear. God.

[Old Tanker]

Way to much Muslim excuse makers condemn Christianity for what it was 90% of the time 200-400-800 years ago.

It is true in 1500 90% of the time but today it is extremely more tolerant .

 

Islam today is where Christianity was in 1590 ,90% of the time , when Muslims have significant political power.

[DKTanker]

The higher the heat the more corn starts popping. Look at the violence in Northern Ireland. Religion was one catalyst and conduit for violence that had at its root questions of control and a feeling of threat. It seems to me to be normal human behaviour. Sadly.

You might find a more sympathetic ear to your POV if you used the very much more bloody and 1400 years lasting schism between Shi'a and Sunni Muslims.

[Phil]

Religion played something of a role in northern Ireland. And I said violence. Not war. Dear God.

[Phil]

The higher the heat the more corn starts popping. Look at the violence in Northern Ireland. Religion was one catalyst and conduit for violence that had at its root questions of control and a feeling of threat. It seems to me to be normal human behaviour. Sadly.

You might find a more sympathetic ear to your POV if you used the very much more bloody and 1400 years lasting schism between Shi'a and Sunni Muslims.

 

Fine by me! I hold no candle for Islam or Christianity. Im sure we could find similar in most other religions of the world. My point is Christendom is doing better than the Islamic world and so it doesn't have a chip on both shoulders and a hair trigger. When it wasn't doing so well more than a fringe has that hair trigger for offence and violence.

[DKTanker]

Fine by me! I hold no candle for Islam or Christianity. Im sure we could find similar in most other religions of the world. My point is Christendom is doing better than the Islamic world and so it doesn't have a chip on both shoulders and a hair trigger. When it wasn't doing so well more than a fringe has that hair trigger for offence and violence.

You'll now give us topical examples of the later in as much as Christendom is under an attack from many sides and is suffering descendecy while Islam reignites its ascendency even within onetime Christian dominate states.

[Phil]

It's not just about religious ascendancy. It's a question of cultural and economic ascendancy. Christendom is considerably richer and exports more of its culture and political ideas than the other way around. I'm not condoning their violence or their perpetual offence. I'm just offering a possible explanation for it. I think it's just the human condition unfortunately. Any useful banner will do when you have a chip on your shoulder and religion is a sensitive subject at the best of times.

[m1a1mg]

If you are looking for people who espouse the views of the person Comrade Werbski encountered, come to rural Kansas. There is some number (no data to back this up so DKT can save himself some keystrokes) of people who feel this way. It may only be 10, and hardly representative of Christianity as a whole, but they do exist.

 

There is a local religious radio station that is pure enjoyment during their call in shows. Kick out all the non-white, non-Christians in the country. Of course, mainstream politics in much of the state is religious right based.

 

And of course, we do still have the Loon-in Chief over in Topeka.

[Mobius]

The thing is that 'Republican' woman could speak her mind even if it was not a popular idea. She is free to do so. In many places women have very little power and are subjugated. Curiously those places that Muslims feel threatened by the culture and power of the West the most are where women are the ones most threatened and powerless. Maybe if they would share power with women the West would feel more confortable sharing power with them.

[DKTanker]

It's not just about religious ascendancy. It's a question of cultural and economic ascendancy. Christendom is considerably richer and exports more of its culture and political ideas than the other way around. I'm not condoning their violence or their perpetual offence. I'm just offering a possible explanation for it. I think it's just the human condition unfortunately. Any useful banner will do when you have a chip on your shoulder and religion is a sensitive subject at the best of times.

Well which is it, cultural or religon based? If it is the former why didn't you say so from the beginning before erecting the strawman? If the later, why are you now bringing in culture?

 

Your last sentence I agree with. Why then did you feel the need to not say that from the start, instead cloaking your POV as that of one who blames religion, rather than people, for violence?

[DKTanker]

Adam, did you say something? Tell you what, I'll supply the paint, you already have the brush, then we can make broad brush statements about all manner of people with whom we disagree. Hell, we can make up shit as we go along if it suits our fancy.

[Phil]

I was on my iPhone, they are not well suited to typing the tightly worded thesis on an internet forum you want.

 

Culture and religion are intrinsically linked in my view.

 

What I am trying to say is that it is all about having a sense of being completely and fundamentally dominated by a culturally, economically, religious and politically different, and better off, part of humanity and the chip on the shoulder that brings with it. Religion is just one vehicle for that frustration and anger and fear. Put people from different contexts into that context and you get remarkably similar results.

 

It's not a slur on any one religion, or any one culture, I just see it is a sad fact of humanity.

 

It's easy to hate people who are different and who you feel have too much of a say in your way of life.

 

I hate bankers for that reason. C'est la vie.

[m1a1mg]

Adam, did you say something? Tell you what, I'll supply the paint, you already have the brush, then we can make broad brush statements about all manner of people with whom we disagree. Hell, we can make up shit as we go along if it suits our fancy.

Dave, other than your unfailing ability to something stupid to damn near every post I make, do you have something to say?

 

I painted with a micro-brush. I noted that it may only be 10 people. But they do exist. Kansas is home to Fred Phelps. There are others whose views are as far right.

 

I actually live in and witness this state on a daily basis. While the left coasts may have the lefty loons, we have portion of the far right loons here.

[DKTanker]

Dave, other than your unfailing ability to something stupid to damn near every post I make, do you have something to say?

Back the fuck up and regroup. It is you that interjected yourself into a conversation and referenced me. Had you not said something stupid and then referenced me, I wouldn't have replied to your post.

[X-Files]

If law enforcement infiltrates fringe political groups, one should expect those fringe political groups to use the same tactics

 

http://truth-out.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=7284:infiltration-of-political-movements-is-the-norm-not-the-exception-in-the-united-states

 

Democrats infiltrate Tampa for Republican convention

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/28/us-usa-democrats-tampa-idUSBRE87R12P20120828

(Reuters) - Hanging over the highway leading into Tampa, Florida, a billboard greets the thousands of Republicans and journalists flooding the Gulf Coast city for the Republican National Convention.

"Welcome to Tampa!" it reads, "Where the mayor and all city council members are DEMOCRATS."

[Mobius]

IWhat I am trying to say is that it is all about having a sense of being completely and fundamentally dominated by a culturally, economically, religious and politically different, and better off, part of humanity and the chip on the shoulder that brings with it. Religion is just one vehicle for that frustration and anger and fear. Put people from different contexts into that context and you get remarkably similar results.

If there is empirical evidence rather than thought experiments reveal them. What I see is a culture that is resentful and can't deal with nearly every other culture on earth moving forward and not being stuck in the 14th century. The billions in East Asia and even Sub Sahara Africa can adopt or work with a different culture that moves their people forward. They do not feel completely dominated. Even a cargo-cult is more willing to adopt new behavior if they think it will be rewarded.