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In other news. TWO court victories over the left's gun control attempts. 

Bump stock ban is killed by the Supreme Court with Justice Thomas' opinion of the court including Drawings to explain to the ATF and it's Tech Branch how firearms ACTUALLY work. 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-976_e29g.pdf


And the Arm Brace Ban by the ATF has been thrown out becasue the ATF's rule violated the Administrative Procedures Act. 

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2024/06/federal-judge-throws-out-atf-firearm-stabilizing-brace-rule/

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47 minutes ago, rmgill said:

In other news. TWO court victories over the left's gun control attempts. 

Bump stock ban is killed by the Supreme Court with Justice Thomas' opinion of the court including Drawings to explain to the ATF and it's Tech Branch how firearms ACTUALLY work. 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-976_e29g.pdf
 

You... do realize the bump stock ban came from Trump... right?  😆

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19 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

You... do realize the bump stock ban came from Trump... right?  😆

Kinda. 🥱

He issued a memorandum, but it was the DOJ and ATF that crafted the regulation in question. AND it's been the ATF and Biden's DOJ defending the regulation in court. And you'll note it was the left that's been upset that the regulation was overturned.  😉

And it's never really been Trump's ATF vis a vis the nature of the law or how the ATF functioned. It's been the gun controlling left. 

Also, the court that struck it down, it's balance IS due to Trump himself. So...nice try....🫡

In case you missed it...
"THOMAS, J. delivered the opinion of the Court, in which ROBERTS, C. J., and ALITO, GORSUCH, KAVANAUGH, and BARRETT, JJ., joined. ALITO, J., filed a concurring opinion. SOTOMAYOR, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which KAGAN and JACKSON, JJ., joined."

 

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Here, let me help you out with the text applicable to the subject of the thread...

From Sotomayor's dissent...This reads like someone who's never touched such a thing, let alone seen it, and is only knowledgable from reading about it from other people's hot takes. 

"These early machineguns allowed a shooter to fire in a variety of ways. Some would fire continuously with a single pull of the trigger or push of a button. See Charles Brief 7, and n. 12 (noting that a Browning M1918 rifle fired eight rounds “ ‘in a second with one pull of the trigger’ ”); see also Brief for Petitioners 22 (noting that a Browning M2 fired with a push of the thumb). Others, such as the famous Thompson Submachine Gun Caliber .45, or “Tommy Gun,” would fire continuously only so long as the shooter main- tained backward pressure on the trigger; a shooter could still fire single shots by pulling and releasing the trigger each time."

This shows she doesn't actually understand what the bump stock is doing. The Trigger is still being pulled for each discharge. PERIOD. 

"When a shooter initiates the firing sequence on a bump- stock-equipped semiautomatic rifle, he does so with “a sin- gle function of the trigger” under that term’s ordinary meaning. Just as the shooter of an M16 need only pull the trigger and maintain backward pressure (on the trigger), a shooter of a bump-stock-equipped AR–15 need only pull the trigger and maintain forward pressure (on the gun). Both shooters pull the trigger only once to fire multiple shots. The only difference is that for an M16, the shooter’s back- ward pressure makes the rifle fire continuously because of an internal mechanism: The curved lever of the trigger does not move. In a bump-stock-equipped AR–15, the mecha- nism for continuous fire is external: The shooter’s forward pressure moves the curved lever back and forth against his stationary trigger finger. Both rifles require only one initial action (that is, one “single function of the trigger”) from the shooter combined with continuous pressure to activate con- tinuous fire.
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That curved lever is the trigger your honor. 

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On 6/14/2024 at 6:12 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

Im unconvinced. Not least because its very clear that Female domestic abuse of Male partners hardly ever is discussed in the media, but clearly happens. Its not discussed because its not as fasionable as gays beating each other up, whcih ticks the boxes for all sorts of people because it demostrates, as far as they are concerned, an unnatural form of relationship. As if the same problems cant and done occur in hetrosexual relationships all the time.

As for AIDS, it was clearly as much a hetrosexual as much as a homosexual problem over here. To the point why I still wonder why its labelled as a 'Gay' disease, when clearly everyone suffering from it was a human being.

 

 

American College of Pediatricians Jan 22, 2004:

Walter Schumm, a family studies professor at Kansas State University, has found that children raised by homosexual parents are far more likely to identify as homosexual themselves. Schumm concluded that research accurately concluded that homosexuals are more likely to raise homosexual children. November 2010 edition of the Journal of Biosocial Science.

American College of Pediatricians Jan 22, 2004:

Reasons among many on why homosexuality is wrong.

 Violence among homosexual partners is two to three times more common than among married heterosexual couples. Homosexual partnerships are significantly more prone to dissolution than heterosexual marriages with the average homosexual relationship lasting only two to three years. Homosexual men and women are reported to be inordinately promiscuous involving serial sex partners, even within what are loosely-termed “committed relationships. Individuals who practice a homosexual lifestyle are more likely than heterosexuals to experience mental illness, substance abuse, suicidal tendencies,and shortened life spans. Although some would claim that these dysfunctions are a result of societal pressures in America, the same dysfunctions exist at inordinately high levels among homosexuals in cultures were the practice is more widely accepted. Children reared in homosexual households are more likely to experience sexual confusion, practice homosexual behavior, and engage in sexual experimentation. Adolescents and young adults who adopt the homosexual lifestyle, like their adult counterparts, are at increased risk of mental health problems, including major depression, anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, substance dependence, and especially suicidal ideation and suicide attempts.

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A longer post on why homosexuals should not be parents. Before the P.C.E. (Politically Correct Era)

The book, Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical, Socio-Psychological, and Legal Perspectives edited by pedophile Edward Brongersma. This book, which openly promotes pedophilia, was first published in the Journal of Homosexuality in 1990. The Journal is edited by John DeCecco, a psychologist at San Francisco State University. DeCecco is a board member of the Dutch pedophile journal, Paidika.

Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36% of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. “Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,” Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 1984; 10:193-200)

Archives of Sexual Behavior (Feb. 2000) , Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa (1988)  and The Journal of Sex Research all report the 32%-42% of child molesters as being homosexal. This out of the percentage of homosexals in the population of 1%-3%.

The Washington Times reported that 8 out of every 10 homosexuals court-martialed by the U.S. Army for sexual misconduct between 1998 and the fall of 1993 had engaged in sexual assaults against their victims. Of these 102 assault cases, nearly half involved the molestation of children. (Dennis A. Wheeler, "The Legacy of Sodom," World News Digest, October 19, 1993)

A study of 425 homosexual males, ages 17 to 22, reported that 41.4% reported an occasion of forced sex. Seventy-nine of the boys reported beginning anal sex with men when they were ages 3 to 14. Of these, 15.2% were already HIV-positive. (Lemp, G., Hirozawa, A., Givertz, D., Nieri, G., Anderson, L., Linegren, M., Janssen, R., Katx, M. (1994) Seroprevalence of HIV and Risk Behaviors Among Young Homosexual and Bisexual Men. Journal of the American Medical Association. 272, 6: 449:454.)

"29% of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6% of adult children of heterosexual parents. Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50." (P. Cameron and K. Cameron, "Homosexual Parents," Adolescence 31 (1996): 772)

Individuals from 1% to 3% of the population that are sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children." (Timothy J. Dailey, Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse,

. Researchers Karla Jay and Allen Young report data showing that 73% of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16-19 years of age or younger. (Karla Jay and Allen Young, The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay Men Speak Out about Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles (New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275)

While many homosexuals do not seek out young sexual partners, evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of homosexual men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners. (Zebulon A. Silverthorne & Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," p. 73)

Incest was more common among bisexuals and homosexuals of both sexes" than among heterosexuals. While less than 0.8% of heterosexual males reported have had sex with a brother, 12% of homosexuals reported having had sex with at least one brother. (Study of more than 9,100 adults in U.S. metropolitan areas) (Paul Cameron, and Kirk Cameron "Does Incest Cause Homosexuality?" Psychological Reports. Vol. 76, Number . , 1995. Page(s) 611-621)

A study of male child sex offenders found that 14% targeted only males, and 28% chose males as well as females as victims, thus indicating that 42% of male pedophiles engaged in homosexual molestation. (Michele Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us," Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995): 581)

A study in Archives of Sexual Behavior found that homosexual men are attracted to young males. The study compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, "all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories," which included males as young as age 15. (Zebulon A. Silverthorne & Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," p. 73)

A study of 229 convicted child molesters found that "86% of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual." ( W. D. Erickson, "Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters," Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83)

The Archives of Sexual Behavior reports: "One of the most salient findings of this study is that 46% of homosexual men and 22% of homosexual women reported having been molested by a person of the same gender. This contrasts to only 7% of heterosexual men and 1% of heterosexual women reporting having been molested by a person of the same gender." (Marie, E. Tomeo, et al., "Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescence Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons," Archives of Sexual Behavior 30 (2001): 539)

A study of 279 homosexual/bisexual men with AIDS and control patients reported: "More than half of both case and control patients reported a sexual act with a male by age 16 years, approximately 20% by age 10 years." (Harry W. Haverkos, et al., "The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior," The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501

child sex abuse expert David Finkelhor found that "boys victimized by older men were over four times more likely to be currently engaged in homosexual activity than were non-victims. The finding applied to nearly half the boys who had had such an experience . . . Further, the adolescents themselves often linked their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences." (Bill Watkins & Arnon Bentovim, "The Sexual Abuse of Male Children and Adolescents: A Review of Current Research," Journal of Child Psychiatry 33 (1992); in Byrgen Finkelman, Sexual Abuse (New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 316)

A study in the International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology found: "In the case of childhood sexual experiences prior to the age of fourteen, 40% (of the pedophile sample) reported that they had engaged 'very often' in sexual activity with an adult, with 28% stating that this type of activity had occurred 'sometimes.'" (Gary A. Sawle, Jon Kear-Colwell, "Adult Attachment Style and Pedophilia: A Developmental Perspective," International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology 45 (February 2001): 6)

 Child Abuse and Neglect study found that 59% of male child sex offenders had been victims of contact sexual abuse as a child." (Michele Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us," Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995): 582)

Paula Ettelbrick, former legal director of the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund, has stated, "Being queer is more than setting up house, sleeping with a person of the same gender, and seeking state approval for doing so. . . Being queer means pushing the parameters of sex, sexuality, and family, and in the process transforming the very fabric of society." (Paula Ettelbrick, quoted in William B. Rubenstein, "Since When Is Marriage a Path to Liberation?" Lesbians, Gay Men, and the Law, (New York: The New Press, 1993), pp. 398,

According to homosexual writer and activist Michelangelo Signorile, the goal of homosexuals is: "To fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demand the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society’s moral codes but rather to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution. . . . The most subversive action lesbian and gay men can undertake . . . is to transform the notion of ’family’ entirely." (Michelangelo Signorile, "Bridal Wave," Out, 

"The ‘Gay-rights movement’ was created to justify homosexual behavior. All of organized homosexuality exists as a mechanism for self-justification. No other group of people has gone to such great lengths to promote a sex act." (The Myth of Sexual Orientation [Culture Watch])

http://www.narth.com/docs/annals.html--why homosexuality was removed from DSM.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in America/Sodomy/homosexuality_and_psychiatry.htm--excerpt from articale--Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis. (1981) In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."

Homosexuals forged APA credentials and gained access to exhibit areas in the conference. They threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals needed to be cured.

Kameny had found an ally inside of the APA named Kent Robinson who helped the homosexual activist present his demand that homosexuality be removed from the DSM. At the 1972 convention, homosexual activists were permitted to set up a display booth, entitled "Gay, Proud and Healthy."

Kameny was then permitted to be part of a panel of psychiatrists who were to discuss homosexuality. The effort to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM was the result of power politics, threats, and intimidation, not scientific discoveries.

After much political pressure, a committee of the APA met behind closed doors in 1973 and voted to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM-II. Opponents of this effort were given 15 minutes to protest this change, according to Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, in Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Satinover writes that after this vote was taken, the decision was to be voted on by the entire APA membership. The National Gay Task Force purchased the APA's mailing list and sent out a letter to the APA members urging them to vote to remove homosexuality as a disorder. No APA member was informed that the mailing had been funded by this homosexual activist group.

 

Dr. Socarides, writing in Sexual Politics and Scientific Logic: The Issue of Homosexuality writes: "To declare a condition a 'non-condition,' a group of practitioners had removed it from our list of serious psychosexual disorders. The action was all the more remarkable when one considers that it involved an out-of-hand and peremptory disregard and dismissal not only of hundreds of psychiatric and psychoanalytic research papers and reports, but also a number of other serious studies by groups of psychiatrists, psychologists, and educators over the past seventy years…"

Socarides continued: "For the next 18 years, the APA decision served as a Trojan horse, opening the gates to widespread psychological and social change in sexual customs and mores. The decision was to be used on numerous occasions for numerous purposes with the goal of normalizing homosexuality and elevating it to an esteemed status.

"To some American psychiatrists, this action remains a chilling reminder that if scientific principles are not fought for, they can be lost-a disillusioning warning that unless we make no exceptions to science, we are subject to the snares of political factionalism and the propagation of untruths to an unsuspecting and uninformed public, to the rest of the medical profession, and to the behavioral sciences." 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wait, aren’t there trump admin staffers in prison right now for contempt of congress? 

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From the New York Times!

 

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Centrist voters can reasonably ask: Why put liberals in charge nationally when the places where they have greatest control are plagued by homelessness, crime and dysfunction? 

I’ll try to answer that question in a moment, but liberals like me do need to face the painful fact that something has gone badly wrong where we’re in charge, from San Diego to Seattle. I’m an Oregonian who bores people at cocktail parties by singing the praises of the West, but the truth is that too often we offer a version of progressivism that doesn’t result in progress. 

We are more likely to believe that “housing is a human right” than conservatives in Florida or Texas, but less likely to actually get people housed. We accept a yawning gulf between our values and our outcomes. 

[…] 

…the problem isn’t with liberalism. It’s with West Coast liberalism. 

The two states with the highest rates of unsheltered homelessness are California and Oregon. The three states with the lowest rates of unsheltered homelessness are all blue ones in the Northeast: Vermont, New York and Maine. Liberal Massachusetts has some of the finest public schools in the country, while liberal Washington and Oregon have below-average high school graduation rates. 

Oregon ranks dead last for youth mental health services, according to Mental Health America, while Washington, D.C., and Delaware rank best. 

[…] 

…my take is that the West Coast’s central problem is not so much that it’s unserious as that it’s infected with an ideological purity that is focused more on intentions than on oversight and outcomes. 

I ran for governor in Oregon two years ago (I was ousted from the ballot by Oregon’s then-secretary of state, who said I didn’t meet the residency requirement). While running, I’d meet groups of liberal donors in Portland, as the city’s problems cast a shadow over all of us; we’d all be wondering nervously if our catalytic converters were in the process of being stolen. The undercurrent in such a liberal gathering would be the failures of Republicans — but Portland was one mess we couldn’t blame on Republicans, because there simply aren’t many Republicans in Portland. This was our liberal mess. 

Politics always is part theater, but out West too often we settle for being performative rather than substantive. 

For example, as a gesture to support trans kids, Oregon took money from the tight education budget to put tampons in boys’ restrooms in elementary schools — including boys’ restrooms in kindergartens.

 

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4 hours ago, rmgill said:

Mahr asks an obvious question...
 

 

She needs to read Karl Marx and "The Jewish Problem".... Maher too. Then understand the Jews are just a proxy/icon for the Western Civilization.   That is the target. 

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18 minutes ago, lucklucky said:

She needs to read Karl Marx and "The Jewish Problem".... Maher too. Then understand the Jews are just a proxy/icon for the Western Civilization.   That is the target. 

Correct. If anything, from the POV of leftists, Jews are the worst of western civ.

And its gotta be frustrating to leftists that Jews simply won't die off.

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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/06/hugo_black_and_democrat_racism.html

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Hugo Black formally joined the KKK in 1923. This came two years after the trial where he demonized a Puerto Rican man as being a negro, thereby justifying the murder of a priest for conducting the integrated marriage of Edwin Stephenson's daughter. This would all be a rather obscure historical matter bur for Franklin Roosevelt’s nomination of Black to the Supreme Court in 1937. FDR was also the vice-presidential candidate for the Democrats in the 1920 election where the Republican Harding was argued to be unqualified to be President since he was black. After a rather rushed confirmation by the Senate in 1937, it was discovered that Black was a member of the KKK and had in fact received a prestigious lifetime membership from the group. While vacationing in Europe after swearing in as a justice, he returned to an angry American public that asked whether he should resign his post as justice in light of his membership in such a prejudicial organization. Black refused to step down despite widespread congressional and public protest. His ascendancy and now hagiography in the Court is indicative of the absurd ideological distortions surrounding Democratic Party politics in the United States with regard to anti-black racism. Black was given a black Court messenger, a Jewish subordinate, and two Catholic subordinates to work for him at the Court. Though the Court never had a history of announcing the race and religion of employees, they produced much fanfare in revealing these diverse employees for Black. All of this seemed to be orchestrated to convince the public that Black was far beyond his KKK intellectual roots in Birmingham. Hugo Black explained to the New York Times how the public misunderstood the nature of the KKK in 1967 after being on the Supreme Court for 30 years:

“The Klan in those days was not what it became later. There were a few extremists in it, but most of the people were the cream of Birminghams middle-class. It was a fraternal organization, really. It wasnt anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, or anti-Negro. In fact, it was a Jew, my closest friend, Herman Beck, who asked me to join, and said they needed good people in the Klan. He couldnt be in it, of course, but he wanted to keep down the few extremists.”

 

More detailed history here;

https://thebeammedia.com/ku-klux-klan-kkk-and-the-democratic-party-a-deeper-examination/

 

 

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https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/06/task-force-at-columbia-university-reveals-shocking-number-of-antisemitic-incidents-on-campus-since-october-7th/
 

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One professor encountering a Jewish-sounding surname while reading names before an exam asked the student to explain their views on the Israeli government’s actions in Gaza. Another told their class to avoid reading mainstream media, declaring that “it is owned by Jews.” A third revealed a student’s complaint about an offensive comment regarding Jews by publicly displaying their email to fellow students.

Several times, professors encouraged students to participate in pro-Palestinian protests or the Gaza Solidarity Encampment for extra credit, or conducted classes at protest sites. Other incidents included students wearing Jewish symbols having them torn from their person. Some were pushed out of student clubs they had been part of because they did not want to participate in group actions and statements against Israel’s right to exist.

These are just a few of the hundreds of testimonies the Columbia Task Force on Antisemitism has documented that detail harassment, intimidation, discrimination and exclusion against Jewish students by professors and fellow students at the New York university since the October 7 Hamas massacre and subsequent war in Gaza.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said:

Correct. If anything, from the POV of leftists, Jews are the worst of western civ.

And its gotta be frustrating to leftists that Jews simply won't die off.

What is worse how Jews continue to gravitate towards leftism 

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On 6/14/2024 at 5:19 PM, rmgill said:

Kinda. 🥱

He issued a memorandum, but it was the DOJ and ATF that crafted the regulation in question. AND it's been the ATF and Biden's DOJ defending the regulation in court. And you'll note it was the left that's been upset that the regulation was overturned.  😉

And it's never really been Trump's ATF vis a vis the nature of the law or how the ATF functioned. It's been the gun controlling left. 

Also, the court that struck it down, it's balance IS due to Trump himself. So...nice try....🫡

In case you missed it...
"THOMAS, J. delivered the opinion of the Court, in which ROBERTS, C. J., and ALITO, GORSUCH, KAVANAUGH, and BARRETT, JJ., joined. ALITO, J., filed a concurring opinion. SOTOMAYOR, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which KAGAN and JACKSON, JJ., joined."

 

Damn, with acrobatics like that you should have gone out for the US Men's gymnastics team heading to Paris this summer.  😆

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On 6/15/2024 at 1:26 PM, Rick said:

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The clowns aren't the politicians, the clowns are the voters who keep sending them back.  We have this wonderful opportunity in this country (and in places like the UK where the backdrop for this photo seems to come from) to send someone else if we're not happy with the job our politicians do... but instead we often send the same, terrible people back.

This is a problem on both sides of the political spectrum suffer from.  We've had years where just the Rs control DC (two such years under Trump) and nothing changed.  The only time in my lifetime where there was something resembling fiscal responsibility came under a D POTUS and R-controlled Congress (Clinton and the Gingrich-era Rs).

If you look up some of these R politicians in DC today that claim to be fiscally concerned you may see some commentary about x or y program wasting a couple million a year.  Sure, those outlying programs could probably be cut but they're not the main issue facing this country from a spending perspective.  The two biggest issues are Social Security and Medicare.  For the former there have had some arguing that a majority of people receiving it don't need it.  For the latter we've had reports that 10% of it is pure waste.  SS outlays last year were around $1.5 trillion.  Medicare I've seen ranges from $800 billion - $1 trillion.  Cutting half of SS and 10% of Medicare gives you ~$850 million in savings... over half the deficit.

Good luck getting the R base to sign on to that.  Remember the Tea Party?  The supposed 'fiscal conservative' uprising in the R base over a decade ago?  They were supposedly all for reigning in spending... until you talked about the big-ticket issues like SS and Medicare.  Politicians who actually stuck to bringing up reform of these things were often sent packing, like former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan.

It's easy to blame the politicians... but we're the ones putting them there and sanctioning this behavior.

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Elections only work if you have a real choice. In reality you can choose if you want clowns with a red nose or a blue nose.

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18 minutes ago, seahawk said:

Elections only work if you have a real choice. In reality you can choose if you want clowns with a red nose or a blue nose.

That's just a weak argument to deflect responsibility from the voters.  Here in the states voters have multiple rounds of choices - primaries and then the general election. 

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5 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

The clowns aren't the politicians, the clowns are the voters who keep sending them back.  We have this wonderful opportunity in this country (and in places like the UK where the backdrop for this photo seems to come from) to send someone else if we're not happy with the job our politicians do... but instead we often send the same, terrible people back.

This is a problem on both sides of the political spectrum suffer from.  We've had years where just the Rs control DC (two such years under Trump) and nothing changed.  The only time in my lifetime where there was something resembling fiscal responsibility came under a D POTUS and R-controlled Congress (Clinton and the Gingrich-era Rs).

If you look up some of these R politicians in DC today that claim to be fiscally concerned you may see some commentary about x or y program wasting a couple million a year.  Sure, those outlying programs could probably be cut but they're not the main issue facing this country from a spending perspective.  The two biggest issues are Social Security and Medicare.  For the former there have had some arguing that a majority of people receiving it don't need it.  For the latter we've had reports that 10% of it is pure waste.  SS outlays last year were around $1.5 trillion.  Medicare I've seen ranges from $800 billion - $1 trillion.  Cutting half of SS and 10% of Medicare gives you ~$850 million in savings... over half the deficit.

Good luck getting the R base to sign on to that.  Remember the Tea Party?  The supposed 'fiscal conservative' uprising in the R base over a decade ago?  They were supposedly all for reigning in spending... until you talked about the big-ticket issues like SS and Medicare.  Politicians who actually stuck to bringing up reform of these things were often sent packing, like former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan.

It's easy to blame the politicians... but we're the ones putting them there and sanctioning this behavior.

Cannot disagree at all.

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4 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

That's just a weak argument to deflect responsibility from the voters.  Here in the states voters have multiple rounds of choices - primaries and then the general election. 

Do voters have a choice or do not the donors and the parties decide which candidates are even on the list? Add in the manipulation of the media and at best you can choose between 2 clowns, but you do not get a choice that is in the interest of the people and not of the billionaires. And if a candidate dares to act in the interest of the people, like Trump, the system removes him and tries to destroy him without mercy.

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8 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Damn, with acrobatics like that you should have gone out for the US Men's gymnastics team heading to Paris this summer.  😆

Sorry. If you're going to complain about Gymnastics. WHY don't you complain about ATF's gymnastics to bypass the APA? The pattern of clear violations of Due process notification by the ATF are a many decades long path. 

Also my point isn't gymnastics. It's describing the complexities of what happened. I begin to wonder if you can grasp anything other than Left Vs Right. 

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8 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

The clowns aren't the politicians, the clowns are the voters who keep sending them back.  We have this wonderful opportunity in this country (and in places like the UK where the backdrop for this photo seems to come from) to send someone else if we're not happy with the job our politicians do... but instead we often send the same, terrible people back.

This is a problem on both sides of the political spectrum suffer from.  We've had years where just the Rs control DC (two such years under Trump) and nothing changed.  The only time in my lifetime where there was something resembling fiscal responsibility came under a D POTUS and R-controlled Congress (Clinton and the Gingrich-era Rs).

And to the left Gingrich was worse than Hitler. He was the only one whom I ever had a door to door petitioner show up to try to get me to sign to get him ousted. Not that I was even in his district so it was an exercise in frivolity by the left to begin with. 

Who is the DNC offering to promote fiscal responsibility in spending? Hmm? Anyone at all? 

 

8 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

If you look up some of these R politicians in DC today that claim to be fiscally concerned you may see some commentary about x or y program wasting a couple million a year. 

Yes. A great many of the Rs are not. Who again in the DNC does this at all? There are some in the GOP who do. They're not enough. But I'd like to see how the DNC is pushing for this at all? 

 

8 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Good luck getting the R base to sign on to that.  Remember the Tea Party?  The supposed 'fiscal conservative' uprising in the R base over a decade ago? 

AGAIN, you bitch about the few who DID try to do that. How about a bit of love for the DNC who treated the tea party as if they were child rapists? 

 

8 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

until you talked about the big-ticket issues like SS and Medicare.  Politicians who actually stuck to bringing up reform of these things were often sent packing, like former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan.

It's easy to blame the politicians... but we're the ones putting them there and sanctioning this behavior.

Your state had what party for it's Senators for how long? 

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