The Insane Rationalizations, Bigotry And Out Right Hypocrisy Of The Left

[glenn239]

29 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Where does this all come from? CBC Pablum? 

It intensified during Covid with the lockdowns.  Everything got more radical.  After the lockdowns ended, things eased on the surface, but beneath the surface none of the radicalized opinions eased off.  The effect seems permanent.  Hitler, Trump, Putin, Trump voters, they have all have been put in a basket and are all now the same thing.  Ask yourself this.  If Milo is willing, as he said himself to see any number of Canadians dead ('whatever it takes', he said) for a piece of shit like Zelensky, just because Zelensky is fighting Putin, what do you imagine the Left up here might go along with if Trump looks set to win in 2024?   You seem to think you are having a conversation like a friendly left/right political debate in the past.   You're not.   

Edited August 15, 2023 by glenn239

[MiloMorai]

Glenn seems to think the military is only for show. Also our treaty obligation is just words At least Zelensky and Ukrane have the gonads to fight Russian aggresion.

Edited August 15, 2023 by MiloMorai

[rmgill]

Military? Canada? How many tank divisions can you field against Russia? How many artillery batteries? How many carriers? 

Edited August 15, 2023 by rmgill

[glenn239]

2 hours ago, rmgill said:

Military? Canada? How many tank divisions can you field against Russia? How many artillery batteries? How many carriers? 

Milo indicates he is concerned that Putin might invade NATO next after Ukraine.  From conversations I've had with left wingers up here, I think it actually might be the opposite concern, that Milo might be afraid that if NATO does not dive into Ukraine now, Putin will not attack NATO later and therefore, that Putin will "get away" with his challenge to the Western order. 

[seahawk]

Left or right, this does no longer fit the reality. We are facing an unholy alliance of Gays, Trans People, Satanists and Socialists that want nothing but to destroy everything the West stood for. Scientific reason, personal freedom, economic freedom. They want to replace it with a global Barbie gulag with no personal freedom and totally controlled by them.

[rmgill]

2 hours ago, glenn239 said:

Milo indicates he is concerned that Putin might invade NATO next after Ukraine.  From conversations I've had with left wingers up here, I think it actually might be the opposite concern, that Milo might be afraid that if NATO does not dive into Ukraine now, Putin will not attack NATO later and therefore, that Putin will "get away" with his challenge to the Western order. 

I have a hard time understanding how the left, which doesn’t have the stomach for large standing military with warehouses full of ammo and spares expects to conduct a war against Russia to hold Putin accountable. 
 

Canada has what, 5 C-17s? How are they going to airlift their military and keep it supplied with that? Germany ditto. The UK ditto. Hell, the information I am hearing from Rumint is that the Us war stocks are near empty of ammo. 
 

They want a war with Russia ? With what!!!?!?? Feelings and the Barbie Trans brigade armed with bats and strongly worded signs? 

Edited August 15, 2023 by rmgill

[bojan]

Twatter brigades.

[Ivanhoe]

3 hours ago, rmgill said:

I have a hard time understanding how the left, which doesn’t have the stomach for large standing military with warehouses full of ammo and spares expects to conduct a war against Russia to hold Putin accountable. 
 

Give up trying to make sense of the libhawk position. They are staunchly against colonialism yet are treating the UA as the Khyber Rifles of eastern Europe. 

Is it too soon to revise the old Cold War bromide and say that American libhawks are willing to defend democracy down to the last Ukrainian?

[FALightFighter]

9 hours ago, rmgill said:

Military? Canada? How many tank divisions can you field against Russia? How many artillery batteries? How many carriers? 

BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

[Murph]

"How many divisions has the pope" sort of thing with Canada?  Well the UK is not much better shape.   For that matter does anyone in Europe even have much of an Army any more?  I know the US is in bad shape as well.

[R011]

1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said:

Give up trying to make sense of the libhawk position. They are staunchly against colonialism yet are treating the UA as the Khyber Rifles of eastern Europe. 

Is it too soon to revise the old Cold War bromide and say that American libhawks are willing to defend democracy down to the last Ukrainian?

Russia are invading Ukraine in order to add it to their empire and it's the West that's colonialist?  Okey dokey.

[R011]

49 minutes ago, Murph said:

"How many divisions has the pope" sort of thing with Canada?  Well the UK is not much better shape.   For that matter does anyone in Europe even have much of an Army any more?  I know the US is in bad shape as well.

https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/

Canaa is providing about as much as Poland with a similar population.  About the same proportionately as the UK.  About 2/3 proportionately as the US. 

Were it up to me. ew'd be doimg more. - like ramping up production at GDLS London and sending a few hundred new LAVs to Ukraine and doing something similar at Colt Canada.  We've sent as much other kit as we couldscrape up.

[DKTanker]

2 hours ago, R011 said:

Russia are invading Ukraine in order to add it to their empire and it's the West that's colonialist?  Okey dokey.

Invading Ukraine is colonialist?  That's a leap.  Ukraine had been part of the Russian Empire and Soviet Union for over 100 years and before that Poland/Lithuania, Austria, and the Ottoman Empire.  Only for a about five years between the Russian Revolution and the consolidation of Soviet Power did a hint of Ukraine as a separate entity exist.  There is a reason why Ukraine was, until 1996, referred to as "The Ukraine" in English speaking nations, because it was simply a geographical area, not a political entity.

As for Russia expanding further.  Pray tell, people, who in their right mind seriously believes Russia, who can't even dispatch Ukraine, will be able to steamroll over any other bordering nation state?

[seahawk]

5 hours ago, Murph said:

"How many divisions has the pope" sort of thing with Canada?  Well the UK is not much better shape.   For that matter does anyone in Europe even have much of an Army any more?  I know the US is in bad shape as well.

No, Europe has been free riding on the back of US taxpayer the last decades.

[R011]

2 hours ago, DKTanker said:

Invading Ukraine is colonialist?  That's a leap.  Ukraine had been part of the Russian Empire and Soviet Union for over 100 years and before that Poland/Lithuania, Austria, and the Ottoman Empire.  Only for a about five years between the Russian Revolution and the consolidation of Soviet Power did a hint of Ukraine as a separate entity exist.  There is a reason why Ukraine was, until 1996, referred to as "The Ukraine" in English speaking nations, because it was simply a geographical area, not a political entity.

As for Russia expanding further.  Pray tell, people, who in their right mind seriously believes Russia, who can't even dispatch Ukraine, will be able to steamroll over any other bordering nation state?

Ukraine has been a independent state since 1991.  A state that was internationally recognized including by Russia.  Ukrainians as a separate people pre date the end of the tsarist Russian Empire by some time. One might as well say the UK still has a claim to the Republic of Ireland or to the colonies that formed the United States.

As for who would believe Russia could take Ukraine, apparently Vladimir Putin does.  He may not be in his right mind, though.  Not that it matters because he's trying it anyway.  It might have worked if not for the support Ukraine has had from 2014 on.   Certainly without that Western support, Ukraine would likely have fallen.  Still might if the support is cut.

[glenn239]

17 hours ago, rmgill said:

I have a hard time understanding how the left, which doesn’t have the stomach for large standing military with warehouses full of ammo and spares expects to conduct a war against Russia to hold Putin accountable. 

Voters up here, and in particular left wing voters, are in La La Land in terms of any form of restraint or choices in governing.  Literally, they will bitch that housing prices and rent in Toronto are way too high, then they will vote for Trudeau who brings in 500,000+ immigrants per year and makes space even tighter.   The military situation is the same.  Everyone is for improvements, but no one wants to actually pay for it or pays any attention to what really makes militaries effective.  It's a parade ground feel-good type thinking where the solution to everything is to print money and throw it at the problem. 

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Canada has what, 5 C-17s? How are they going to airlift their military and keep it supplied with that? Germany ditto. The UK ditto. Hell, the information I am hearing from Rumint is that the Us war stocks are near empty of ammo. 

Right we suck, but I'm more interested in why Milo wants Canada to have a war with Russia in Eastern Europe in the first place.  When we were kids no one over here gave a shit that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union.   Now, suddenly, it's supposed to be some existential threat to the global order whether Russia and Ukraine have a war?  Hard pass.

Milo suggests we should dive in with other peoples' kids its because otherwise Russia will continue to attack its neighbors.   I think what the white collar class up here really fears is the challenge to the West's authority from Russia, and they want to crush this challenge.  They do not fear that Russia will continue to attack other countries afterwards.  What actually consumes them is the thought that after Ukraine Russia won't attack its neighbors, and therefore, that the despised and reviled Putin will 'get away' with having made the challenge.  
 

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They want a war with Russia ? With what!!!?!?? Feelings and the Barbie Trans brigade armed with bats and strongly worded signs? 

Russia can take care of itself and Ottawa knows it, so I have no great concern as of yet that Canada will be doing anything stupid in Eastern Europe.  What should concern you down there is that the Left up here have put Trump, Trump voters, and Russia all in the same basket.   If the urban white collar types up here want to fight a nuclear power halfway across the world because of a challenge to authority, then what would the Left down there go along with against Trump and Trump voters that are a challenge to their authority?   

Let's say Biden's campaign is the disaster we all half expect and Washington concludes Trump (even in jail) is going to become president.  Let's say the powers that be decide that this cannot happen.  What would  Milo go along with to prevent Trump becoming president in 2024, assuming that the odds of Trump winning are 100%?  For example, would Milo agree with cancelling the 2024 election until 2028 due to the security threat Trump poses, leaving Biden with an 8 year term?   I wonder.

[MiloMorai]

54 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

Right we suck, but I'm more interested in why Milo wants Canada to have a war with Russia in Eastern Europe in the first place. 

If youhadn't noticed Canada is part of NATO and has an obligation to defend any other NATO country if attacked.

As for the rest of your blathering, not worth the effort.

[R011]

2 hours ago, glenn239 said:

 

Right we suck, but I'm more interested in why Milo wants Canada to have a war with Russia in Eastern Europe in the first place.  When we were kids no one over here gave a shit that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union.   Now, suddenly, it's supposed to be some existential threat to the global order whether Russia and Ukraine have a war?  Hard pass.

 

Same reasons as we "wanted a war" in West Germany between 1948 and 1991.  So we don't have to go to war again as we and our allies had to do in 1939 and 1950.

And yeah, we were concerned that Ukraine and the other Soviet republics as well as the Warsaw Pact countries were under Moscow's domination when we were kids.  Some of us were even ready to fight for them if it came to it.  Unlike Putin, we weren't willing to start a war over it.

[EchoFiveMike]

On 8/15/2023 at 9:14 AM, rmgill said:

Military? Canada? How many tank divisions can you field against Russia? How many artillery batteries? How many carriers? 

More importantly, what regiment was he in?  The same goes for all the twats advocating getting involved in this Euro-fuckery.

Very simply, no one who hasn't served rates any input about the military deployments of the United States, or their respective nations.

As for shitlib vermin, of course they want military adventure, there's no shitlibs in the real military, maybe a few freaks trying to get free medical care and green welfare, but they're universally in some REMF billets.  Military adventure, especially when hamstrung by their shitlib restrictions and ankle biting, kills and maims actual Men, whom they despise and fear. 

It's always "why don't you and him fight?" with these vermin. 

One more reason no person who hasn't served should ever be considered a citizen, because they're not, they're just a freeloader.  S/F....Ken M 

 

[glenn239]

2 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

If you hadn't noticed Canada is part of NATO and has an obligation to defend any other NATO country if attacked.

You said you wanted Canada to dive into Ukraine, which is not part of NATO.

 

[Strannik]

14 hours ago, DKTanker said:

Invading Ukraine is colonialist?  That's a leap.  Ukraine had been part of the Russian Empire and Soviet Union for over 100 years

incorrect.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pereiaslav_Agreement was in 1654

[urbanoid]

And they tried to break free from Russia/USSR several times since then, that in the end they didn't simply means they were too weak to achieve that goal. 

[Strannik]

2 hours ago, urbanoid said:

And they tried to break free from Russia/USSR several times since then, that in the end they didn't simply means they were too weak to achieve that goal. 

Ans other "they" had another thought on the matter.

Ans then yet other "they"  had tried to break free from them in 2014.  And so on...

Edited August 16, 2023 by Strannik

[urbanoid]

1 hour ago, Strannik said:

Ans other "they" had another thought on the matter.

Ans then yet other "they"  had tried to break free from them in 2014.  And so on...

The other 'they' that stopped it have been mostly 'Russian Russians', from 'Russia proper'. This matter has to be resolved one way or the other and it looks like unless Russia decides to genocide the 'undeserving' population mostly still not under Russian control, the West will gain the upper hand in the end. Even post-2014 most of the Ukrainian population didn't give much of a fuck about Donbabwe and Luganda, now they hate and despise Russians as properly as most of the other nations of Central Europe - even the Russian speakers fight against Russian invasion and the doubts about their national identity have been removed, they're just Russian-speaking Ukrainians now. Hell, even if Russia wins militarily and conquers at least most of Ukraine (unlikely), there will always be nations supporting Ukrainian organizations in exile*, including armed ones, supporting the Ukrainian resistance inside the country etc. A century won't be enough to bridge the gap Russia has created with this invasion. 

*There are already civilian and military Belarusian organizations like this, with people believing they're something more than the inferior clones of Muscovites, meant to bow before the 'dear leader'. To suggest that it would be different with the Ukrainian ones would be naive.

[rmgill]

13 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

If youhadn't noticed Canada is part of NATO and has an obligation to defend any other NATO country if attacked.

As for the rest of your blathering, not worth the effort.

So, what is Canada going to use to Fight Russia? Explain that. 

I don't relish that Canada is a shadow of it's former Cold War or WWII self, but your lot has pared the defense forces of Canada Down to next to nothing. How many weeks of small arms ammo stocks does Canada have? 

Your 40 plus years of peace keeping, all very well and good was a rather low op tempo for something like down in the bog infantry fighting in the Dnieper basin. 

Edited August 17, 2023 by rmgill