DKTanker Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: She's coming up, frantic, claiming someone needs help. She's not warned to stay away from the police til after they push her. I can understand if the police were constantly stating "stay away, move back"... but they weren't. That's shitty behavior on their part, plain and simple, and basically puts them on the level of thugs. Doesn't make it right because they have a badge. Why am I not surprised. That's a tactic we know leftists enjoy (wouldn't be at surprised if you belonged to that club), provoke, provoke, provoke until you induce a reaction. Yeah, maybe charges are dropped, but she'll have enjoyed a weekend stay in the FW lockup for her provocations. Still, I wouldn't be so sure charges are dropped or that she (why are we assuming gender?) can beat the charges. She moved towards the officers in an antagonistic way, she (again with the pronouns) is lucky she wasn't body slammed for her troubles. This can't be repeated enough. Hey, PERVERTS, leave our kids alone. Edited April 26, 2023 by DKTanker
rmgill Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Skywalkre said: She's coming up, frantic, claiming someone needs help. She's not warned to stay away from the police til after they push her. I can understand if the police were constantly stating "stay away, move back"... but they weren't. That's shitty behavior on their part, plain and simple, and basically puts them on the level of thugs. Doesn't make it right because they have a badge. She was a masked person running up after other masked people had tried to stop the cops arresting someone who'd committed multiple assaults. The were in fact yelling stay away. For quite some time during the arrest of #1 and #2. And more pointedly.... "He's asking for help." "no, fine, we can take care of him here." And the Meghan Grant charges. And she's pushed back. To which she screams "WHAT DOES HE NEED A MEDIC FOR!" and then charges again. And again. With multiple back up commands. You know how you render aid? "Hey, does he need help? I have medical gear here. I can help. May I?" Also, you do know that Antifa has a habit of trying to 'rescue' their members from arrest right? Why was subject 2 arrested? Edited April 26, 2023 by rmgill
lucklucky Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 “An MIT professor describes the outraged reaction from fellow philosophers when he argued that a woman is an adult human female.” https://quillette.com/2023/04/17/philosophys-no-go-zone/
sunday Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 1 hour ago, lucklucky said: “An MIT professor describes the outraged reaction from fellow philosophers when he argued that a woman is an adult human female.” https://quillette.com/2023/04/17/philosophys-no-go-zone/ These modern Progressives keep justifying the need of a reborn Roman Inquisition.
sunday Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 15 hours ago, rmgill said: Awww... Peter Grant chimes in https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2023/04/antifa-intimidation-in-action.html
Ivanhoe Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 Most folks are praising FWPD, but to me they kinda look like f-ups. Failed to interdict the initial assault, failed to corral the attackers, etc. The points that BRM makes are good. The larger point is that the LW is inherently violent, the RW is inherently naive and stupid.
rmgill Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 I don't think the FWPD was there initially. They were responding likely after the camera operator cued to the brewing violence and observed violence.
rmgill Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 Skywalkre, on the points of the antifa 'medic', they likely went to a meeting or three before and were informed of their fellows intent to attack people with distraction and pepper spray. We won't ever know this for sure but it's a routine tactic of antifa. Their medics then swoop in to "assist" their own. They clearly have distraction tactics for the police when one of their member's has been singled out for arrest. Witness how several moved into physically block the police. THEN When arrestee #1 is nearly detained the medic comes rushing over charging up in such a way as to maximize confrontation and get her self arrested. I find your ignoring these patterns curious.
Skywalkre Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 2 hours ago, rmgill said: Skywalkre, on the points of the antifa 'medic', they likely went to a meeting or three before and were informed of their fellows intent to attack people with distraction and pepper spray. We won't ever know this for sure but it's a routine tactic of antifa. Their medics then swoop in to "assist" their own. They clearly have distraction tactics for the police when one of their member's has been singled out for arrest. Witness how several moved into physically block the police. THEN When arrestee #1 is nearly detained the medic comes rushing over charging up in such a way as to maximize confrontation and get her self arrested. I find your ignoring these patterns curious. I'm not ignoring anything as I'm simply going off what's in the video (and your bolded bit states you're not even sure of it). As already mentioned this last arrest could have been handled much more professionally... but instead the cop in question acts like a thug. There was no communication about staying back and not approaching where that third arrest happens (it was away from where the first 2 were detained... you're not hearing anything of that altercation in the bodycam of the third arrest) and instead the cop leads off with a shove. But it's ok because it's Antifa, amirite? (Scary how so many of you are ok with this line of thought...) Nah... just makes the cop a thug and unprofessional.
DKTanker Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Skywalkre said: you're not hearing anything of that altercation in the bodycam of the third arrest) and instead the cop leads off with a shove. But it's ok because it's Antifa, amirite? (Scary how so many of you are ok with this line of thought...) Nah... just makes the cop a thug and unprofessional. That is absolutely incorrect. She came running from the other scene and started screaming, one of the officers puts his hand up in manner to suggest "stop" and says, "No, no, "He's fine, we can handle it." Almost simultaneously the out of control woman came at the officers in an antagonistic manner and it was then she was shoved backward. She then came at them again while being told to "back up, back up". Three times she came at the officers before they arrested her. The cops weren't thugs, on the contrary they showed some restraint when confronted by the out of control ANTIFA stormtrooper. Maybe you're not hearing the audio because it's only the Rumble video that has it? https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2023/04/antifa-intimidation-in-action.html Start the video at 4:10. Edited April 26, 2023 by DKTanker
rmgill Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 12 hours ago, Skywalkre said: I'm not ignoring anything as I'm simply going off what's in the video (and your bolded bit states you're not even sure of it). I'm not sure that people who work in coordination haven't arranged to do so before hand, but it's usually a good bet. Plus we have insiders from Antifa and folks like Andy Ngo who have reported prolifically about Antifa's tactics. 12 hours ago, Skywalkre said: There was no communication about staying back and not approaching where that third arrest happens (it was away from where the first 2 were detained... They were just saying it through the course of the arrest when the others started to interfere. Sure the woman who ran up didn't hear them. Naturally when police arrest people, you just run RIGHT up to them while masked and expect polite "please stay back miss". 12 hours ago, Skywalkre said: you're not hearing anything of that altercation in the bodycam of the third arrest) and instead the cop leads off with a shove. As she's rushing up. 12 hours ago, Skywalkre said: But it's ok because it's Antifa, amirite? (Scary how so many of you are ok with this line of thought...) Nah... just makes the cop a thug and unprofessional. You did see how that many of them were armed with rifles and handguns right?
rmgill Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 Skywalkre, what does "No! No! Fine. We can take care of him here." mean to you? Also note, how Mr Pepper Spray is guarded by 3 guys with slung long arms. They move to protect him after he pepper sprays the protestors. Does that itself constitute a crime? I'm curious.
Skywalkre Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 On 4/26/2023 at 3:48 PM, DKTanker said: That is absolutely incorrect. She came running from the other scene and started screaming, one of the officers puts his hand up in manner to suggest "stop" and says, "No, no, "He's fine, we can handle it." Almost simultaneously the out of control woman came at the officers in an antagonistic manner and it was then she was shoved backward. She then came at them again while being told to "back up, back up". Three times she came at the officers before they arrested her. The cops weren't thugs, on the contrary they showed some restraint when confronted by the out of control ANTIFA stormtrooper. Maybe you're not hearing the audio because it's only the Rumble video that has it? https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2023/04/antifa-intimidation-in-action.html Start the video at 4:10. The original twitter had audio. Here's my point, and I'll leave it at this. There shouldn't be shoving back and forth before an arrest. That's force and the moment it's used she should have been arrested. Before it comes to that and before it's justified, though, I feel they could have been doing far more verbal communication. They weren't. This isn't something where the cop should be charged or anything... it doesn't rise to that level. Just highlights a lack of professionalism (the lack of communication beforehand) with the shove coming so quickly. If you're ok with that... you're ok with that. I'm not.
DKTanker Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Skywalkre said: The original twitter had audio. Here's my point, and I'll leave it at this. There shouldn't be shoving back and forth before an arrest. That's force and the moment it's used she should have been arrested. Before it comes to that and before it's justified, though, I feel they could have been doing far more verbal communication. They weren't. This isn't something where the cop should be charged or anything... it doesn't rise to that level. Just highlights a lack of professionalism (the lack of communication beforehand) with the shove coming so quickly. If you're ok with that... you're ok with that. I'm not. What? The cops were trying not to arrest her, they were trying to maintain...wait for it, the peace. She forced their hands, she got exactly what she deserved. Say, had she gotten close enough to thrust a shiv up under his vest, would you have been good with that too?
Ivanhoe Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 1 hour ago, DKTanker said: What? The cops were trying not to arrest her, they were trying to maintain...wait for it, the peace. She forced their hands, she got exactly what she deserved. Therein lies my gripe. Once the Antifa thugs committed assault, FWPD should have gone into riot mode and flattened all guilty parties. Instead, the "kinder, gentler" approach is going to result in escalation by Antifa.
Murph Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 22 hours ago, Skywalkre said: The original twitter had audio. Here's my point, and I'll leave it at this. There shouldn't be shoving back and forth before an arrest. That's force and the moment it's used she should have been arrested. Before it comes to that and before it's justified, though, I feel they could have been doing far more verbal communication. They weren't. This isn't something where the cop should be charged or anything... it doesn't rise to that level. Just highlights a lack of professionalism (the lack of communication beforehand) with the shove coming so quickly. If you're ok with that... you're ok with that. I'm not. have you EVER arrested someone? Have you EVER arrested someone who does not want to be arrested? Have you EVER arrested someone, trying not to hurt them, just get them in cuffs? I have. Let me tell you it looks bad, really bad, because you dance around, struggling all over the place taking far more time than it should in a "perfect world". Could I get the cuffs on someone really fast if I just say to heck with it and F**k them up badly? Absolutely. Before you pass judgement or decide "Oh woe is me, how horrible are the cops", and clutch your pearls, perhaps you MIGHT want to go to the local PD and do some ride along shifts. Cops are terrified of being the next VICTIM of the Communist News Network, or PMSDNC, etc. They worry about laying hands on someone. Back in the day, that bulls**t would have ended quickly because we would have...delivered an attitude adjustment pretty quickly. And yes there is a BIG difference between a beating and a "tune up". There would have been no dance, the person would have been leg swept, hit the ground, and got cuffed and stuffed very quickly.
DB Posted May 1, 2023 Posted May 1, 2023 Of those 4, diamorphine is still used medically and DDT should never have been banned, instead it should have been used more carefully.
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