RETAC21 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Against drones and cruise missiles surely would be useful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Against drones and cruise missiles surely would be useful Cruise missiles would have to be subsonic probably. Drones yeah. I guess they could also double vs ground targets if need be while pretty much all missile AD would be strictly limited to its AD role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Against drones and cruise missiles surely would be useful Cruise missiles would have to be subsonic probably. Drones yeah. I guess they could also double vs ground targets if need be while pretty much all missile AD would be strictly limited to its AD role. Gepard can engage supersomic targets. I have no reason to suspect, that the Type 87 is worse. Have the JGSDF modernized the Type 87 and linked into a modern radar network? Then it is only an effector no longer limited by its small radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Against drones and cruise missiles surely would be useful Cruise missiles would have to be subsonic probably. Drones yeah. I guess they could also double vs ground targets if need be while pretty much all missile AD would be strictly limited to its AD role. Gepard can engage supersomic targets. I have no reason to suspect, that the Type 87 is worse. Have the JGSDF modernized the Type 87 and linked into a modern radar network? Then it is only an effector no longer limited by its small radar. From what I can find about it as of now, it doesn't explicitly say that it can engage supersonic targets, but if Gepard can, then yes surely the Type 87 should be able to do so too. And from the video of it shooting, its turret looks like it can swivel and acquire tracking on the target fast enough. In addition to the two radars at top, it has infrared and optical sensors that can serve as back up if it is operating in a jamming environment. But from what I can find, there doesn't seem to have been any major upgrades to it and nothing about it being networked to a greater AD information sharing network. So limited to a point defense unit it seems. Its mobility is also not as good as the Type 90 so as a combined unit, Type 87 slows things down some. MOD has been putting a lot of funding for networking kinds of upgrades for various SDF platforms but looks like Type 87 is out of the loop on it. There was an upgrade option for attaching missiles on to it, but at that time production of the Type 87 had finished (at 52 units) and the funding for that upgrade was not available for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin M Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Against drones and cruise missiles surely would be useful Cruise missiles would have to be subsonic probably. Drones yeah. I guess they could also double vs ground targets if need be while pretty much all missile AD would be strictly limited to its AD role. Gepard can engage supersomic targets. I have no reason to suspect, that the Type 87 is worse. Have the JGSDF modernized the Type 87 and linked into a modern radar network? Then it is only an effector no longer limited by its small radar. From what I can find about it as of now, it doesn't explicitly say that it can engage supersonic targets, but if Gepard can, then yes surely the Type 87 should be able to do so too. And from the video of it shooting, its turret looks like it can swivel and acquire tracking on the target fast enough. In addition to the two radars at top, it has infrared and optical sensors that can serve as back up if it is operating in a jamming environment. But from what I can find, there doesn't seem to have been any major upgrades to it and nothing about it being networked to a greater AD information sharing network. So limited to a point defense unit it seems. Its mobility is also not as good as the Type 90 so as a combined unit, Type 87 slows things down some. MOD has been putting a lot of funding for networking kinds of upgrades for various SDF platforms but looks like Type 87 is out of the loop on it. There was an upgrade option for attaching missiles on to it, but at that time production of the Type 87 had finished (at 52 units) and the funding for that upgrade was not available for it. The Gepard and Co. are always impressive to see ! as for drones . . . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_pigeon_shooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Against drones and cruise missiles surely would be useful From what I can find about it as of now, it doesn't explicitly say that it can engage supersonic targets, but if Gepard can, then yes surely the Type 87 should be able to do so too. And from the video of it shooting, its turret looks like it can swivel and acquire tracking on the target fast enough. In addition to the two radars at top, it has infrared and optical sensors that can serve as back up if it is operating in a jamming environment. But from what I can find, there doesn't seem to have been any major upgrades to it and nothing about it being networked to a greater AD information sharing network. So limited to a point defense unit it seems. Its mobility is also not as good as the Type 90 so as a combined unit, Type 87 slows things down some. MOD has been putting a lot of funding for networking kinds of upgrades for various SDF platforms but looks like Type 87 is out of the loop on it. There was an upgrade option for attaching missiles on to it, but at that time production of the Type 87 had finished (at 52 units) and the funding for that upgrade was not available for it. The Gepard and Co. are always impressive to see ! as for drones . . . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_pigeon_shootingAlways liked Gepard, was sad to see it retire in Germany. As for shotguns, reminded me of shooting the flying skulls with the super shotgun from Doom 2 for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin M Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Against drones and cruise missiles surely would be useful From what I can find about it as of now, it doesn't explicitly say that it can engage supersonic targets, but if Gepard can, then yes surely the Type 87 should be able to do so too. And from the video of it shooting, its turret looks like it can swivel and acquire tracking on the target fast enough. In addition to the two radars at top, it has infrared and optical sensors that can serve as back up if it is operating in a jamming environment. But from what I can find, there doesn't seem to have been any major upgrades to it and nothing about it being networked to a greater AD information sharing network. So limited to a point defense unit it seems. Its mobility is also not as good as the Type 90 so as a combined unit, Type 87 slows things down some. MOD has been putting a lot of funding for networking kinds of upgrades for various SDF platforms but looks like Type 87 is out of the loop on it. There was an upgrade option for attaching missiles on to it, but at that time production of the Type 87 had finished (at 52 units) and the funding for that upgrade was not available for it. The Gepard and Co. are always impressive to see ! as for drones . . . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_pigeon_shootingAlways liked Gepard, was sad to see it retire in Germany. As for shotguns, reminded me of shooting the flying skulls with the super shotgun from Doom 2 for some reason. If UPS and DHL really do this crap package (Chinese junk porducts) delivery business, I hope to see a lot of drones going down from shotgun fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Speaking of anti-air, cute but voice is a itsy bitsy annoying, but is fine, but any way, she rides the turret of a real M16 half track at 2:19 (after hoping in the replica Ha-Go) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 The camo on these Type 61 tanks is meant to match with the season that goes from summer to fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Nice find of these experimatal patterns. Obviously later the JSDGF settled on the much simpler green & brown pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Thanks I think the different camo was only for experiment with something besides whatever was regular use. I don't think there was a interest in adopting something new for regular use. Every once in a while, some AFV is going around with a different camo. Here are a few more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warford Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 A short clip from Tankfest 2019...starts 4:55 minutes in: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) A short clip from Tankfest 2019...starts 4:55 minutes in: I was rather impressed they had it going with the whole flag and all. A good run. That Ha-Go was taken from Pohnpei Island in 1981 and displayed at a museum in Kyoto until it closed in 1991, to which it was relocated to a park. In 2004, a British tank enthusiasts picked it up. In 2009 a group in Japan started negotiations for buying the tank and started fundraising including online fundraising for cost of restoring the tank and buying it to bring back to Japan. So far enough funds were made to restore it. A lot of restoration work was down by the Polish. AFAIK, more fundrasing is still needed to purchase it and bring it back to Japan, but maybe enough was raised for its return to Japan after Bovington showing. If returned to Japan, it'll be going to the little military museum in the video of the girl in the M16 50 cal quad turret a few posts up. Here it is in Poland shortly before making its little run at Bovington. Edited July 3, 2019 by JasonJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Type 4 Ho-Ro when it was taken to the American Heritage Museum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitflegal Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Type 4 Ho-Ro when it was taken to the American Heritage Museum.One thing that I've noticed staring at it for multiple weekends is the finishing work on this vehicle is of an extremely high qualitty, German Panther quality. Welds are at inner connections of angled parts and the wleds themselves are not only remarkably even but are even ground down along their length. The armor plate itself is similarly well finished. And God bless the USMC for lending it to us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JasonJ Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) Type 4 Ho-Ro when it was taken to the American Heritage Museum. One thing that I've noticed staring at it for multiple weekends is the finishing work on this vehicle is of an extremely high qualitty, German Panther quality. Welds are at inner connections of angled parts and the wleds themselves are not only remarkably even but are even ground down along their length. The armor plate itself is similarly well finished. And God bless the USMC for lending it to us! Well at least they could make good plates and welds with thin armor, thanks for that Here's a picture I took at a JGSDF base last year in April.. Edited July 8, 2019 by JasonJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Moran Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 II thought JGSDF Bases were generally closed to foreigners? (There's a Type 3 in one somewhere I wouldn't mind getting at...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Where did that idea come from? Maybe trying to get in on the wrong day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 ‹ Great to see, along with the size of the flag in various ways. Could almost envision IJA reenactors advancing behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitflegal Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Where did that idea come from? Maybe trying to get in on the wrong day?The JGSDF Ordance School museum at Tsuchiura a few years back responded to an email inquiry I had sent after translating into Japanese that I needed to have an active duty Japanese military person to escort me. I beleive more recently you can sign up for a tour without this so long as it's at least 2 weeks in advance and it is structured so that the tour goes as a group, leaves at a set time, and you go from one exhibit to another on a timetable. So, no lingering to look at their Chi Nu, for example. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Where did that idea come from? Maybe trying to get in on the wrong day? The JGSDF Ordance School museum at Tsuchiura a few years back responded to an email inquiry I had sent after translating into Japanese that I needed to have an active duty Japanese military person to escort me. I beleive more recently you can sign up for a tour without this so long as it's at least 2 weeks in advance and it is structured so that the tour goes as a group, leaves at a set time, and you go from one exhibit to another on a timetable. So, no lingering to look at their Chi Nu, for example. . .Same condition for all. There's no open base day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 The JGSDF Ordance School museum at Tsuchiura a few years back responded to an email inquiry I had sent after translating into Japanese that I needed to have an active duty Japanese military person to escort me. I beleive more recently you can sign up for a tour without this so long as it's at least 2 weeks in advance and it is structured so that the tour goes as a group, leaves at a set time, and you go from one exhibit to another on a timetable. So, no lingering to look at their Chi Nu, for example. . . The bringing of a modern camera set to the highest resolution possible sounds like a must for those exhibits where lingering is discouraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonJ Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 The JGSDF Ordance School museum at Tsuchiura a few years back responded to an email inquiry I had sent after translating into Japanese that I needed to have an active duty Japanese military person to escort me. I beleive more recently you can sign up for a tour without this so long as it's at least 2 weeks in advance and it is structured so that the tour goes as a group, leaves at a set time, and you go from one exhibit to another on a timetable. So, no lingering to look at their Chi Nu, for example. . . The bringing of a modern camera set to the highest resolution possible sounds like a must for those exhibits where lingering is discouraged.You don't even speak Japanese. Troll-Net to the max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 One thing that I've noticed staring at it for multiple weekends is the finishing work on this vehicle is of an extremely high qualitty, German Panther quality. Welds are at inner connections of angled parts and the wleds themselves are not only remarkably even but are even ground down along their length. The armor plate itself is similarly well finished. And God bless the USMC for lending it to us! Japanese quality personified in various ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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