Iran says that..sorry, can't hold back the laughter...it will send naval ships to US coast

[Red Ant]

Whoop-dee-doo, probably end up being the only Iranian ship that would survive the war if one ever broke out...

 

How do you figure that? I bet it would be the first one to get blown to bits.

[Guest kingfisher552]

Latest from the CIA!! Iran has developed an ocean-going stealth inner-tube. Dozens are being deployed to block the Strait of Hormuz, and their atomic powered rubber duckies are already spreading fear up and down the Hudson River!!

[Josh]

How do you figure that? I bet it would be the first one to get blown to bits.

 

Actually the fifth fleet is within striking range of pretty much any piece of the Iranian navy at any given moment with a lot of different assets. There simply isn't that much Persian Gulf to watch, though there is a fantastic volume of traffic. It wouldn't shock me if the Atlantic actually had a dirth of assets relative to its size that would allow a ship there to last a lot longer, so long as it avoided normal shipping lanes and view of the coast. And turning on any radar or communications source that would finger print it from space.

[thekirk]

Actually the fifth fleet is within striking range of pretty much any piece of the Iranian navy at any given moment with a lot of different assets. There simply isn't that much Persian Gulf to watch, though there is a fantastic volume of traffic. It wouldn't shock me if the Atlantic actually had a dirth of assets relative to its size that would allow a ship there to last a lot longer, so long as it avoided normal shipping lanes and view of the coast. And turning on any radar or communications source that would finger print it from space.

 

I think that if you planned an attack on that basis, and put it into effect, you'd have a few unpleasant surprises coming your way. The Atlantic may look open and undefended, and in the sense that the ships aren't there, that's true. However, it sure as hell isn't unobserved, and anything approaching the seaboard is very much under surveillance. When we were still worried about those "ghost freighters" of Saddam's, I happened to bring this very subject up with one of our Navy augmentees. Turns out he worked that sort of thing in the Navy a few years back, and it's not quite as easy as that "empty" ocean would make it seem. There are long-range assets that track everything moving that comes close enough to US shores to make a difference.

[Josh]

I think that if you planned an attack on that basis, and put it into effect, you'd have a few unpleasant surprises coming your way. The Atlantic may look open and undefended, and in the sense that the ships aren't there, that's true. However, it sure as hell isn't unobserved, and anything approaching the seaboard is very much under surveillance. When we were still worried about those "ghost freighters" of Saddam's, I happened to bring this very subject up with one of our Navy augmentees. Turns out he worked that sort of thing in the Navy a few years back, and it's not quite as easy as that "empty" ocean would make it seem. There are long-range assets that track everything moving that comes close enough to US shores to make a difference.

 

I was implying it was completely undefended or unobserved, but inside the Persian Gulf the USN has at lease a squadron of P-3's, usually a CVBG, and most likely a sub or two at given time. The planes can pretty much fire on Iranian assets as soon as they get to a reasonable altitude; the subs can launch BGM-109s practically to Tehran and their Mk 48's can pretty much cross the Gulf. If there were a high intensity fight between Iran and the US in the Gulf it would be pretty short indeed IMO, except for some mine sweeping and shore AShM suppression. I'm not saying a ship off the Atlantic seaboard would be safe, I just think it would at least require someone explicitly sending a P-3 out to dispatch it which might take longer.

[X-Files]

Iran's Navy has the ability to deploy its vessels three miles off the US east coast, a high-ranking Iranian Navy commander was quoted as saying by the Fars news agency. "Our naval forces are so powerful that we have a presence in all the waters of the world and, if needed, we can move to within three miles of New York," Revolutionary Guards Navy Commander Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi was quoted as saying during a speech to students at the University of Yazd earlier this week.

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4221742,00.html

[urbanoid]

Oh yes, those guys know how to frighten infidel America.

[Corinthian]

"Our naval forces are so powerful that we have a presence in all the waters of the world"

 

They sure weren't in my toilet bowl before I started shitting this morning....

 

"presence in all the waters of the world" bah!

[Fritz]

Iran's Navy has the ability to deploy its vessels three miles off the US east coast, a high-ranking Iranian Navy commander was quoted as saying by the Fars news agency. "Our naval forces are so powerful that we have a presence in all the waters of the world and, if needed, we can move to within three miles of New York," Revolutionary Guards Navy Commander Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi was quoted as saying during a speech to students at the University of Yazd earlier this week.

 

http://www.ynetnews....4221742,00.html

 

Why exactly three miles? Why not 3.5? Or 4? Or 2?

 

Oh wait it was just a random number he made up on the spot. Stupid me.

[Steven P Allen]

I say, let 'em come. it will be so much easier to deal with the Iranian Republican Guards Army Navy there than it would having to hunt them down in the crannies of the Persian Gulf. . . . Besides, we could sell ringside seat tickets and make a profit on the SinkEx.

[Simon Tan]

3 miles? that's so they can surrender and ask for political asylum.

[X-Files]

 

Oh wait it was just a random number he made up on the spot. Stupid me.

 

Probably watching too much Boardwalk Empire or that's based on the maximum effective range of the Iranian cargo-ships' trebuchet-launched EMP warheads.

[X-Files]

TEHRAN - The commander of the Navy said on Monday that Iranian naval vessels will carry out missions in the Atlantic Ocean in the near future. “The Navy has carried out successful activities (to expand) its presence in open seas, and we will witness the presence of the Navy in the Atlantic Ocean in the near future,” Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari stated.

 

 

http://www.tehrantimes.com/politics/99901-iran-to-send-naval-vessels-to-atlantic-ocean-soon-admiral

[Colin]

I hope they attempt a NW passage transit in late September.

[Josh]

I guess as propaganda for internal consumption the idea makes sense. Though they better make sure they can find friendly ports to refuel from ahead of time. Horrifically embarassing if they couldn't make it back, plus the No Atlantic as someone points out isn't the most forging of seas to put a small combatant into...and nothing Iran has counts as more than a frigate. I'd be impressed if they could put a boat there and back without it breaking down, quite honestly.

[Anixtu]

Though they better make sure they can find friendly ports to refuel from ahead of time.

 

I assume they would bring a replenishment tanker, like they did when visiting the Mediterranean earlier in the year.

Edited July 27, 2012 by Anixtu

[Marek Tucan]

OTOH regarding the ridicule... I imagine British also laughed when USN first sent ships across the Atlantic

[FlyingCanOpener]

OTOH regarding the ridicule... I imagine British also laughed when USN first sent ships across the Atlantic

 

The problem with that was the Continental Navy was quite capable from the word go

[R011]

OTOH regarding the ridicule... I imagine British also laughed when USN first sent ships across the Atlantic

 

The problem with that was the Continental Navy was quite capable from the word go

American merchant ships had been routinely trading with Britain and around the world for a century and American privateers had been operating under the British flag for as long.

[Josh]

Indeed, there was a much finer hair between military and civilian service at that time, and the US merchant marine fleet was quite large and global by that time.

[rmgill]

While the US fielded a small hand full of ships compared to the RN, the quality of those ships was top notch as were the crews and the officers aboard. An equivalent example would be if Iran had 2 Aegis Cruisers and 6 Burkes all with crews on par with what comes out of US training and operational experience.

[John T]

Kilos anyone?

They sailed from Russia to Iran under own power if I remember correctly.

 

If you make an rough estimate on google earth its ~10 000 nautical between Iran and Hawaii

For a single trip a Kilo sub gets halfways before she needs to refuel.

Port call in India and a then peaceful refueling from a merchant on the surface east of Philipines on both legs.

As you don't have to hurry you can wait for calm sea, Germans did refuel sub from sub during ww2 so why not the Iranians?

 

The might even get home again.

And there's five months to 7:th December.

 

Cheers

/John

Edited August 13, 2012 by John T

[Josh]

Kilos anyone?

They sailed from Russia to Iran under own power if I remember correctly.

 

If you make an rough estimate on google earth its ~10 000 nautical between Iran and Hawaii

For a single trip a Kilo sub gets halfways before she needs to refuel.

Port call in India and a then peaceful refueling from a merchant on the surface east of Philipines on both legs.

As you don't have to hurry you can wait for calm sea, Germans did refuel sub from sub during ww2 so why not the Iranians?

 

The might even get home again.

And there's five months to 7:th December.

 

Cheers

/John

 

Well if they want to creep towards Hawaii at a dozen knots, diesels blazing the whole time, and are able to refuel a couple times somewhere I guess that could work, but I wouldn't want to be one of the crew members crushed into the boat for that long trip. I'm pretty sure the Kilos were delivered to Iran on flo/flo ships.

[rmgill]

Logistics ships, aka tankers met along the way would be the way I'd plan it. If the Germans could resupply subs and Commerce Raiders with cargo ships, so could an Iranian sub.

[mnm]

http://www.uboat.net/types/milkcows.htm