shep854 Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 Not mentioned was the even simpler M3A1, which succeeded the M3 in production in 1944. Instead of a cocking handle, a hole was drilled into the bolt, so the gun could be cocked by pulling the bolt back with a finger.
Markus Becker Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 And considering it is firing fron an open bolt that's not going to burn you.
Tim Sielbeck Posted December 29, 2024 Posted December 29, 2024 It doesn't. When I was at Ft Stewart in 1981 we were allowed, one day, to go out to the range and shoot .45 cal, 7.62 mm and a turret full of 105 mm just to get rid of the stuff. We fired main gun and coax first then we went about 20 yards in front of our tanks (after clearing and making them safe) to shoot up up the .45 cal. I took two very heavy pouches, about 30 to 40 full magazines, for my M3A1 and ran through them as fast as I could. The bolt was never hot enough to be uncomfortable. One of my crew mates wanted to shoot some and I told him to load his own.
sunday Posted December 29, 2024 Posted December 29, 2024 I know this thing and the Nikonov AN-94 are pretty much memes as of now. However, I still think I've seen mechanical wrist cronographs that are simpler than the G11. 400+ parts in an assault rifle? Come on, man!
Markus Becker Posted December 29, 2024 Posted December 29, 2024 Proof of concept or rather negation of it.
Markus Becker Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 Meanwhile Bubba's relatives in Iraq are buys too.
17thfabn Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 12 minutes ago, Markus Becker said: Meanwhile Bubba's relatives in Iraq are buys too. That would be handy in Oakland California! If you hold it side ways it increases the deadliness by 37%. Unfortunately holding it sideways decreases your accuracy by 47 %
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 1 Posted January 1 https://x.com/MAC_Arms/status/1874131938988220706?t=Qr-07nt0qeQ2fYqS0bNI2g&s=19
Ivanhoe Posted January 1 Posted January 1 On 12/29/2024 at 9:52 AM, sunday said: I know this thing and the Nikonov AN-94 are pretty much memes as of now. However, I still think I've seen mechanical wrist cronographs that are simpler than the G11. With the right spring alloys, H&K could offer a G11 Tourbillon. Guaranteed to lose less than 3 rpm across all temperatures.
sunday Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) Heh! A tri-axial tourbillon is simpler than the lock of a G11. Edited to add a very nice video where a pro disassembles and reassembles one of the cheapest tourbillon wristwatch in existence: Edited January 1 by sunday
sunday Posted January 3 Posted January 3 5 hours ago, rmgill said: You need to spin a bullet 90 degrees? Simplicity is difficult to achieve, usually. Were the HK guys gone with round cases instead of square, perhaps they could have arrived to that simpler, no-moving-parts, FN solution.
shep854 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) The Czechs enter the bullet flippy chat...the ZB47 feed mechanism, starting at 18:47: Edited January 3 by shep854
Ivanhoe Posted January 3 Posted January 3 After S&W bought Thompson/Center and killed the T/C single-shot product lines, I've been kicking myself for not buying a Contender frame for eventual assembly into a swap-barrel rifle. SSK is manufacturing a Contender G1-alike action, purportedly machined to much better tolerances than the original. The cool thing in the US is the cottage industry of barrel fabs and stock makers that support Contender and Encore owners. Want a rifle barrel in some obscure cartridge like .25-20 WCF? No problem. I may pick up a receiver just to have it in hand for when I have the time and money to piddle around with cartridges and loads. https://www.sskfirearms.com/receiver-ssk-50-complete-1254.html
rmgill Posted January 3 Author Posted January 3 6 hours ago, sunday said: Simplicity is difficult to achieve, usually. Were the HK guys gone with round cases instead of square, perhaps they could have arrived to that simpler, no-moving-parts, FN solution. So hard to extrude pellets that are cylindrical... 😉 But then maybe Germans think round is funny and they have no sense of humor..
sunday Posted January 3 Posted January 3 2 hours ago, rmgill said: So hard to extrude pellets that are cylindrical... 😉 But then maybe Germans think round is funny and they have no sense of humor.. 😀 Square rounds are more space-efficient, so some very focused engineer tried to make them work in a weapon...
bojan Posted January 3 Posted January 3 3 hours ago, sunday said: ...very focused engineer tried to make them work in a weapon... Consequence of letting people who don't understand guns design guns. Other is L85.
shep854 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 12 hours ago, bojan said: Consequence of letting people who don't understand guns design guns. Other is L85. Check out the US Army's attempts to develop a space-age cutting tech rifle since the '50s...
bojan Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Those came from a flawed ideas, but none really in the US knew how automatic rifle should look like in the '50s. G11 basically repeated those same flawed ideas* 30 years later, well after automatic rifles were reasonably well established and new generation has started appearing. *AN-94 did same, but on cheap.
rmgill Posted January 5 Author Posted January 5 On 1/3/2025 at 8:14 PM, bojan said: Those came from a flawed ideas, but none really in the US knew how automatic rifle should look like in the '50s.
17thfabn Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) On 1/3/2025 at 8:14 PM, bojan said: Those came from a flawed ideas, but none really in the US knew how automatic rifle should look like in the '50s. I'll add another U.S. designed automatic rifle from the mid 1950s. Seems like this style of rifle has held up to the test of time. Edited January 5 by 17thfabn
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 5 Posted January 5 To be fair, that was something of an afterthought. The real battle rifle of the 1960's was supposed to be the M14.
Olof Larsson Posted January 5 Posted January 5 On 1/3/2025 at 1:31 PM, bojan said: Consequence of letting people who don't understand guns design guns. Other is L85. The complexity & failings of the HK G11 & SPIW is not a result of a inexperienced R&D department. It's the result of bad requirements specifications from bureaucrats.
Olof Larsson Posted January 5 Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: To be fair, that was something of an afterthought. The real battle rifle of the 1960's was supposed to be the M14. The interim, low cost rifle of the 1960's, replaced by the interim M16, awaiting SPIW/SALVO/NIBLICK/Future Rifle Program/ACR/LSAT.
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