Firearms of note and ridicule

[sunday]

On the most German of modern Russian guns, or "so you thought the G11 was complicated?"

 

[bojan]

It is not that complicated to imagine, it basically has two separate operation mechanism with two separate feeds (but feeding from a same mag). 1st one is regular long stroke gas piston and rotating bolt, second one is recoil based, but not regular one used in firearms, but is closer to the way artillery pieces work.

OTOH, some of Korobov's guns were more complicated. OTOH His full name was German Korobov... 

Look at trigger mechanism, with trigger acting upon the first sear, which releases a striker which hits second sear which releases a hammer... All in effort to have normal trigger pull on a bullpup

 

[sunday]

43 minutes ago, bojan said:

Some of Korobov's guns were more complicated. OTOH His full name was German Korobov... 

 

 

Now that is a thing of beauty.

I was kind of expecting some answer bringing up Korobov designs, truth to be told.

[Markus Becker]

And so James Bond advertised a Walther, another one. 

 

 

[shep854]

Mk 23 history, including a SEAL who tested and used it in combat.

 

[Argus]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/12ERTmDTjmt/

Pardon the book of facile link, but its a drum mag for the .50 Baratt. If you must I suppose.... 

[sunday]

On 11/21/2024 at 11:56 AM, sunday said:

On the most German of modern Russian guns, or "so you thought the G11 was complicated?"

 

Second, and last, video on the series. There is a side by side comparison with the AK-74:

 

Edited November 28, 2024 by sunday

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yes, I was watching the second one last night, its really exceptionally good. A great shame it went nowhere.

[bojan]

Big issue with video is that 2-rounds burts was not introduced "so poorly trained conscripts would not waste ammo", it was made to increase hit % when actually aiming under stress. It did so, by about 15-20% (by the fact that in such % of cases second round on would hit a target that 1st one missed by a small margin) but that is where advantages ended, and complications* were not worth it.

*Including problems mounting UBGL on gun and almost total inability to use suppressors.

[Ivanhoe]

Fun video, complete with meat target;

I'll admit I was pretty surprised at the terminal effects of those Lehigh Defense bullets*. Looks deer- and hog-capable to me, and it would surely put a nice dent in any mutant cannibal raiders.

* https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1022293756?pid=905559  at a buck a bullet (not per cartridge, per bullet) it oughta remove the backstraps and prep the shoulder roasts for the slow cooker.

 

 

[Markus Becker]

It only took ~100 years to figure out decent gear to carry pan mags.

 

 

[Markus Becker]

Some heresy:

 

[Markus Becker]

At the end something good came out of Nato adopting 7.62x51

 

Lovely double think getting excellent results. 

[shep854]

On 12/3/2024 at 1:46 PM, Markus Becker said:

At the end something good came out of Nato adopting 7.62x51

 

Lovely double think getting excellent results. 

Seems like the Sovs predated the M7 by a few decades.

[Ivanhoe]

.30 Carbine did surprisingly well against mild steel;

 

[shep854]

6 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

.30 Carbine did surprisingly well against mild steel;

 

The problem the .30 Carbine round had was being compared to the full house M1 rifle cartridge.

On its own, it's a pretty spicy little round!

[rmgill]

 

[rmgill]

On 12/6/2024 at 3:03 PM, Ivanhoe said:

.30 Carbine did surprisingly well against mild steel;

 

Great truck gun. 

[Ivanhoe]

My grandfather had an M1 Carbine in excellent condition, that I was supposed to inherit. Oh well.

 

[shep854]

3 hours ago, rmgill said:

Great truck gun. 

Of the three, I'd take that .357 lever gun.

[Markus Becker]

On 12/7/2024 at 3:52 AM, shep854 said:

The problem the .30 Carbine round had was being compared to the full house M1 rifle cartridge.

On its own, it's a pretty spicy little round!

It has the kinetic energy of .357 ... at 100 yards. 

[Markus Becker]

Disclaimer: the gun tuber is an Ordnance officer.

 

[shep854]

19 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

It has the kinetic energy of .357 ... at 100 yards. 

Yep, it's essentially a pistol round in a rifle by intent, but I understand that it's a handful in a pistol.  In fact, handguns chambering the .30 Carbine are very uncommon; the only one I'm aware of is a Ruger revolver.

[Markus Becker]

16 minutes ago, shep854 said:

Yep, it's essentially a pistol round in a rifle by intent, 

 

A very powerful pistol round. Fired out of a handgun even Inspector Callahan might approve of it: This is the M1 carbine! The handiest and mightiest carbine ever made. It hits you as hard at 100 as my .44 does at 10. Feel lucky punk? 

 

Also not a new concept: .44-40. 

Edited December 11, 2024 by Markus Becker

[bojan]

49 minutes ago, shep854 said:

Yep, it's essentially a pistol round in a rifle by intent, but I understand that it's a handful in a pistol.  In fact, handguns chambering the .30 Carbine are very uncommon; the only one I'm aware of is a Ruger revolver.

Ruger, Kimbal Arms "Air Crew" pistol, Automag (not original, one based on 1911). Possibly some European revolvers (IIRC  very shitty Reck but I am not sure).

French had experimental version of MAB P15, but that did not move from a prototype stage.

IIRC from a pistol length barrels .30 Carbine does not produce more velocity than 7.62x25 Tokarev, but produces much more muzzle blast and flash.