Firearms of note and ridicule

[shep854]

1 hour ago, Markus Becker said:

This is going to be... good enough. 😉

 

Branson is a treasure!  Solid information, regardless of who it helps or hinders!

[rmgill]

12 hours ago, shep854 said:

Branson is a treasure!  Solid information, regardless of who it helps or hinders!

Ahh. He was Oleg’s attorney for the Fracas over The High Road. He stayed at my house on their trip down to Statesville, Ga for the hearing. I wondered what he’d been up to after taking down his legal shingle. 

[shep854]

2 hours ago, rmgill said:

Ahh. He was Oleg’s attorney for the Fracas over The High Road. He stayed at my house on their trip down to Statesville, Ga for the hearing. I wondered what he’d been up to after taking down his legal shingle. 

The guy gets around.  That's quite a shift from lawyer to optics expert.

[Markus Becker]

He saw the light?!

[Stuart Galbraith]

My favourite online restoration guy restores a Vietnam war RPG-2 (B40) grenade launcher.

 

[Markus Becker]

He said Jehova! Again! 

 

 

[rmgill]

He's Gun Jesus. He can say his dad's name. 

[shep854]

Wins the thread.   The slo-mo is AWESOME!

 

[bojan]

1 hour ago, Markus Becker said:

He said Jehova! Again! 

 

 

Thing is, what he or anyone else calls something does not make it only term, or even correct one to be called.

I prefer designations by most basic principle of operation - repeating, semi-automatic and automatic. Everything else tends to lead to cherrypicking cases to defend your side. So you either take French calling FAMAS "assault rifle" as proof, or you look at Austrians and Swiss who called  what Ian calls "battle rifles" "assault rifle".

 

 

Edited April 10, 2024 by bojan

[rmgill]

Are we really going to use or cite HK’s marketing department?

[bojan]

FN thinks the same. So does Steyr.

Ian thinks different.

Why is his opinion more valid than their, or v/v?

Edited April 11, 2024 by bojan

[Markus Becker]

I find the term helpful to distinguish between select fire rifles that use intermediary rounds and those that use full power rounds. 

 

[sunday]

5 hours ago, bojan said:

FN thinks the same. So does Steyr.

Ian thinks different.

Why is his opinion more valid than their, or v/v?

Thus the Protestant Doctrine on Assault Rifles against the Doctrine of Gun Jesus on Battle Rifles was born.

Or a schism. Whatever.

Edited April 12, 2024 by sunday

[shep854]

I don't think that there is any firearms term that is not 'flexible'.

[Markus Becker]

14 hours ago, sunday said:

Thus the Protestant Doctrine on Assault Rifles against the Doctrine of Gun Jesus on Battle Rifles was born.

Or a schism. Whatever.

Wouldn't at least FN count as Catholic? 

[sunday]

26 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

Wouldn't at least FN count as Catholic? 

Not sure, plenty of francmasons in that part of Belgium. I'd put my hopes in Beretta, SIG or Steyr.

[bojan]

Steyr and Beretta also considers 7.62x51mm automatic rifles "assault rifle".

European SIG is dead.

Also, if we could adopt original military terminology and... vz.58 would be "SMG" (Samopal) since Czech call  so any automatic weapons that is not a MG. So both vz.61 Skorpion and 7.62x51mm version of BREN-2 automatic rifle are "SMGs"

Soviets/Russians have pretty well defined terminology that covers well their small arms. But issues start when you try to apply it to someone else weapons. Hence M16 is "автоматическая винтовка" - automatic rifle. M4 is however "автомат", which is another designation for "automatic carbine". Carbine is defined as having "barrel length of 500mm or shorter"...

Even local terminology that defines rifles by their basic system of operation (repeating/semi-auto/automatic) has it's kinks, as it uses a role to define what is a LMG/SAW (puškomitraljez -  literal translation of French "Fusil-mitrailleur"). So RPK, PKM, MG42, MG08/15 or any other MG are same category, as long as they are used from bipod, as they are used as squad MG.

 

Adding additional civilian, US-centric terms to that hot mess... I really see no point in that. Especially as ill defined terms as "battle rifle".

 

PS. As much as Ian is great source on mechanical part of firearms he mostly knows next to nothing about how those firearms are actually used in combat. Especially things other than rifles*. And as any civilian w/o any military experience does, he gives way to much importance to the rifle** compared to all other weapons, since again he does not know how all those weapons are used in symbiosis.

*Look at his talk about AKs with Larry Vickers and his inability to comprehend that overall efficiency of US Army would not change one bit if they were issued bare-bones AKs, or any other rifle instead of guccied M4s.

** It is same syndrome with loads of medieval YT channels being obsessed with swords, when those were basically last ditch backup weapons. 

 

 

Edited April 12, 2024 by bojan

[JDAM]

On 3/13/2024 at 2:19 PM, sunday said:

USN did not use gunpods in Phantoms.

At least one F-4J carried a Vulcan gunpod, stationed on USS America during the 1968 Vietnam cruise. The pilot posing next to the gunpod is Lt. Bill Beardsley of VF-102. Beardsley later flew with the Blue Angels, during the 1971-1972 seasons.

Edited April 13, 2024 by JDAM

[sunday]

41 minutes ago, JDAM said:

At least one F-4J carried a Vulcan gunpod, stationed on USS America during the 1968 Vietnam cruise. The pilot posing next to the gunpod is Lt. Bill Beardsley of VF-102. Beardsley later flew with the Blue Angels, during the 1971-1972 seasons.

(...)

Could be an outlier.

[rmgill]

On 4/11/2024 at 8:49 PM, sunday said:

Thus the Protestant Doctrine on Assault Rifles against the Doctrine of Gun Jesus on Battle Rifles was born.

Or a schism. Whatever.

So Mote it Be!

😀

How many Angels can dance on the head of a firing pin designed by John Moses Browing? 

[rmgill]

On 4/12/2024 at 10:53 AM, shep854 said:

I don't think that there is any firearms term that is not 'flexible'.

Fixed Brownings ain't. 

[rmgill]

Garand Thumb and crew play around with Q's new 8.6 Blackout. 
 

 

[sunday]

41 minutes ago, rmgill said:

So Mote it Be!

😀

How many Angels can dance on the head of a firing pin designed by John Moses Browing? 

Angels are inmaterial, so infinite.

[shep854]

2 hours ago, rmgill said:

Fixed Brownings ain't. 

🤣

[Markus Becker]

America's worst service rifle:

https://playeur.com/v/_uaPTjp8RlO

 

Fail wise I'm more impressed by the idea of the M15 LMG. The USA does in the 50s, when GPMG become "The Thing" what FN had already done in the early 30s with the Model D.