Dawes Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Heck, I didn't know that 32 people would fit inside a V-22 (unless it made more than one trip): http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a00bd2c17-f048-4779-9f72-9feb486c2447&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) This will truly mess with the V-22 bashers... Given that the Marines have always taken the heat for the Osprey's issues, it's understandable that they are trying to highlight the bird's qualities. The AF is more likely to push them to their limits, though, in light of the missions to be flown. Edited June 7, 2011 by shep854 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth P. Katz Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Only if they are -- or become -- very close friends. Heck, I didn't know that 32 people would fit inside a V-22 (unless it made more than one trip): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Only if they are -- or become -- very close friends. Didn't the S. Vietnamese pack some rather hard-to-believe numbers of people into a/c during the evacuations after the Collapse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Hubers Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Didn't the S. Vietnamese pack some rather hard-to-believe numbers of people into a/c during the evacuations after the Collapse?Yep. 147 refugees plus crew aboard a single CH-47A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Yep. 147 refugees plus crew aboard a single CH-47A. yes but remember Americans weigh much more than Vietnamese refugees who have been malnourished and carry nothing except the clothes on their back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 yes but remember Americans weigh much more than Vietnamese refugees who have been malnourished and carry nothing except the clothes on their back. Not to mention that the CVs were just off the coast anyway, and not really that far, so range wasn't much of an issue, more-or-less.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 More V-22 news-- Via Military.com:PAS11: Is V-22 the next big U.S. export prospect? The gist of the article is that the V-22 has become "...the most cost-effective rotorcraft in DoD’s inventory when measured by cost per passenger, and also its safest", and is therefore becoming attractive to foreign buyers. 'The Marines need four Ospreys to move all the troops and their gear, as compared with 16 helos; that means a cost of $296 million for the V-22s as compared to $488 million for the helos; the Osprey crew costs are $5 million, compared to $21 million; the Osprey doesn’t need a forward refueling point or security, but the helos do, so the Marines factor a cost of $15 million; but the Ospreys’ operation and sustainment rate is “.23,” as compared to “.14.” Bottom line: According to Masiello’s chart, the Osprey costs $301.2 million, as compared to $524.1 million for the “utility helicopter.” The conclusion: “Utility helicopter alternative is 74 percent more costly than V-22.” ' Read more: http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/06/22/pas11-is-v-22-the-next-big-u-s-export-prospect/#ixzz1QCIhwyeeDoDBuzz.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/v-22-ambush/ It was June 12 in the Sangin Valley in southern Afghanistan. U.S. Marines had been fighting the Taliban all day and had suffered heavy casualties, including two killed. Several resupply convoys had been turned back by enemy attack. The Marines were running low on food, water, ammunition and medical supplies. That’s when the Marines’ V-22 Osprey tiltrotor swooped in, carrying life-saving supplies — and machine gun fire. The title gives the impression that the V-22 conducted CAS when it seems it just fired its ramp gun as it flew away. Still, that fact does not diminish the capabilities of the aircraft, nor the bravery and skill of its crew. It does, however, highlight how vulnerable the V-22 is. I liked the part where it mentions the V-22 has been used for night insertions, and that it was flying in airplane mode. Good to see the MARINES (!!!) are loving it. Edited December 21, 2011 by TomasCTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Low and slow, landing or taking off, ALL aircraft are vulnerable, not just the Osprey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 In 1991, Operation Solomon, Israel airlifted thousands of Ethiopian Jews to Israel. One El Al Boeing 747 crammed over 1000 Ethiopians. Their light wait allowed that many to be crammed:From Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Solomon " Operation Solomon airlifted almost twice as many Ethiopian Jews to Israel as Operation Moses. The operation set a world record for single-flight passenger load on May 24, 1991 when an El Al 747 carried 1,122 passengers to Israel (1,087 passengers were registered, but dozens of children hid in their mothers' robes). "Planners expected to fill the aircraft with 760 passengers. Because the passengers were so light, many more were squeezed in."[2] Two babies were born during the flight.[1] " Yep. 147 refugees plus crew aboard a single CH-47A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 No disrespect to the refugees on that 747, but I imagine the crew needed oxygen well before landing! Oi vey, the smell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 No disrespect to the refugees on that 747, but I imagine the crew needed oxygen well before landing! Oi vey, the smell! Had the same thought.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/v-22-ambush/ I'm impressed. It takes no small skill to compress that much BS into that short of an article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) I'm impressed. It takes no small skill to compress that much BS into that short of an article.It reminded me of a Boeing/Vertol ad for the CH-46 that ran (briefly) in Aviation Week during the Vietnam War. It described the helo dropping off its troops, then circling the LZ providing fire support with its door guns. Aircrew were not available for comment... Edited December 22, 2011 by shep854 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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