Tanks in Syrian Revolt

[Djuice]

 

Turret sure looks very thin..

[Rod]

Given the prevalence of RPGs in the conflict why doesn't Syria quickly add some ERA blocks to their tanks? I am sure Russia could airlift them I just wonder if the Syrians have the logistical support to quickly install them

[Simon Tan]

Upgraded FCS but no ERA. WTF?????

[lucklucky]

Yeah... And we are talking about a country that faced an enemy with ERA 30 years ago.

Maybe Syrians don't like much their T-72s, at least we only see the T-55 with a comprehensive upgrade.

[Jim Warford]

 

 

Outstanding pic...thanks for posting it! A pic like this is a bit of a "Holy Grail" (well, a small one anyway)...I know that I keep saying this but, in the good old days, pics of this tank were really sought after; it was (perhaps), the biggest "Boogey Man" in that theater. Awesome...

Edited August 6, 2012 by Jim Warford

[Mr King]

That picture makes it look like it would be impossible to bail out of the T-72 if the gun was in any neutral or negative elevation while in position over the drivers hatch.

[Stefan Kotsch]

Driver can traverse the turret in emergency case.

[JW Collins]

I thought all of those T-72s with the TURMS-T upgrade had K-5 ERA on them?

[Chris Werb]

Driver can traverse the turret in emergency case.

 

Presumably manually? That would be a 'brown trouser moment' if ever there was one if you ever had to do it for real.

[shep854]

Driver can traverse the turret in emergency case.

 

Presumably manually? That would be a 'brown trouser moment' if ever there was one if you ever had to do it for real.

That driver's hole sounds like a really lonely place.

[bojan]

Driver has "hatch for heroes" aka emergency hatch below seat also.

Turret sure looks very thin..

 

Front turret is 45-50 something cm, depending where you measured thickness. Frontal part of side turret is ~ 1/2 - 3/4 of that.

[Stefan Kotsch]

Driver can traverse the turret in emergency case.

 

Presumably manually? That would be a 'brown trouser moment' if ever there was one if you ever had to do it for real.

Electrically, separate switch near drivers seat

[Simon Tan]

Note the IR searlight next to the main sight housing. Weird.......

[Jim Warford]

Syrian Army T-72:

Shot at 2012-08-06

 

Probably the best pic I've seen of a Syrian Army T-55 fitted with the North Korean LRF:

Shot at 2012-08-06

[Simon Tan]

Kontakt on tanks without FCS upgrade and not on those with. Silly.

 

Does anyone have a comparison between the Soviet AM2 FCS vs. the Czech Kladivo? They seem to be similar but never seen any comaprisons.

[shep854]

Kontakt on tanks without FCS upgrade and not on those with. Silly.

 

Does anyone have a comparison between the Soviet AM2 FCS vs. the Czech Kladivo? They seem to be similar but never seen any comaprisons.

Gives new meaning to 'monkey models', eh?

[Chris Werb]

Driver can traverse the turret in emergency case.

 

Presumably manually? That would be a 'brown trouser moment' if ever there was one if you ever had to do it for real.

Electrically, separate switch near drivers seat

 

That's a lot better - assuming whatever caused you to bail out didn't also KO the electrics. :eek:

[Simon Tan]

Future Syrian governments will only buy bling bling models with chromed spinners on the roadwheels.

[lucklucky]

Kontakt on tanks without FCS upgrade and not on those with. Silly.

 

I think it quite possible that the regime split the goodies between units to not have one superior to the other. So the TURMS CS/FLIR go to one unit, the other get's the ERA...

[Stefan Kotsch]

Driver can traverse the turret in emergency case.

 

Presumably manually? That would be a 'brown trouser moment' if ever there was one if you ever had to do it for real.

Electrically, separate switch near drivers seat

 

That's a lot better - assuming whatever caused you to bail out didn't also KO the electrics. :eek:

 

Without electric power, the driver has a problem. In the battle, however, the stabilizer is always ON. If the power supply down, due to a hit, the entire crew has a problem. The infamous compromises in armored vehicle construction...

[shep854]

Driver can traverse the turret in emergency case.

 

Presumably manually? That would be a 'brown trouser moment' if ever there was one if you ever had to do it for real.

Electrically, separate switch near drivers seat

 

That's a lot better - assuming whatever caused you to bail out didn't also KO the electrics. :eek:

 

Without electric power, the driver has a problem. In the battle, however, the stabilizer is always ON. If the power supply down, due to a hit, the entire crew has a problem. The infamous compromises in armored vehicle construction...

Given the nature of modern AT weapons, they won't have a problem for long...

Edited August 8, 2012 by shep854

[alejandro_]

I think it quite possible that the regime split the goodies between units to not have one superior to the other. So the TURMS CS/FLIR go to one unit, the other get's the ERA...

I would say it's the opposite. The most loyal units get the best equipment. Upgraded T-72 (known in Syria as T-82) served with 105 "presidential" brigade. The brigade has been merged with other units after its commander, Brig. Gen. Manaf Tlas, deserted with other officers and soldiers. It is now integrated with 4th armoured division, considered to be the most effective and commanded by Assad's younger brother.

[alejandro_]

Syrian T-72. This seemed to have been knocked out in an artillery barrage or air raid. Maybe they belonged to FSyA.

 

 

 

What T-72 variants have been identified up to this point?

 

- T-72

- T-72M1

- T-72AV

- T-72 upgraded by Galileo.

 

Apparently some of these vehicles came from Soviet Army stocks and were not export versions.

Edited August 8, 2012 by alejandro_

[rmgill]

Given the nature of modern AT weapons, they won't have a problem for long...

 

It'll only hurt for a moment....

[crazyinsane105]

I'm just curious as to how many tanks the Syrian military has lost in this conflict so far. Every news report I read, the rebels claim they are knocking out tanks left and right, but then the same rebels complain at the lack of weaponry they have against Assad's armored forces. There's an interesting video that states the dismal weapon situation the rebels are currently facing:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deChbGODK_c&list=PL28B6B8FC7E195DD8&index=1&feature=plcp

 

Making their own mortars...even the Iraqi insurgents were better armed and trained than those guys.

Edited August 9, 2012 by crazyinsane105