Archaeological News

[sunday]

Lots of thing to discover still.

Remember, for instance, those Aztec racks of skulls described in the Spanish chronicles of the Conquest, but taken as exaggerations by enlightened, and more than a little anti-Catholic/anti-Spanish, historians. 

https://phys.org/news/2018-06-skull-tower-rack-evidence-aztec.html

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/new-find-brings-skulls-discovered-aztec-tower-over-600-180976543/

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/aztec-skull-tower-archaeological-discovery-1931944

 

[lucklucky]

I have no doubts, and submerged archaeology i expect to be a starting field soon with proliferation of UUV's

[JWB]

6 hours ago, Rick said:

Every so often "science" paints a new picture of the ancient past. Gets new followers and money. Men an woman -- scientific fact, there are only two genders -- were created by God, not evolved in some Darwinian science fiction.  

You don't believe Neanderthal existed?

[R011]

6 hours ago, lucklucky said:

What an archaeologist do if everything is discovered? They have to create new narratives.

There's well over a hundred thousand years of Homo Sapiens  existence and hundreds of thousands more of our predecessors.  As techniques improve and more research is done, they're going to find new things that increase our knowledge of those times.  Nor do you need to go back that far to find new data.  Lots of archaeology dealing with historical events to the point where one wonders if its archaeology or forensics.

They'd have to sift the whole world to bedrock in order to find everything.

[Ivanhoe]

49 minutes ago, JWB said:

You don't believe Neanderthal existed?

I've seen them in person. My sisters have dated several. 

 

[Ivanhoe]

6 hours ago, sunday said:

Lots of thing to discover still.

Remember, for instance, those Aztec racks of skulls described in the Spanish chronicles of the Conquest, but taken as exaggerations by enlightened, and more than a little anti-Catholic/anti-Spanish, historians. 

https://phys.org/news/2018-06-skull-tower-rack-evidence-aztec.html

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/new-find-brings-skulls-discovered-aztec-tower-over-600-180976543/

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/aztec-skull-tower-archaeological-discovery-1931944

 

Well, the Aztecs may have been a little cruel, but at least they weren't so inhuman as to force the locals to learn a little Spanish and eat fish on Fridays. 

On a serious note, its always amusing to see lefties make two laughable errors:

- Columbus as a murderer of millions (TMK, he never once set foot on the North American nor South American mainland);

- Cortés and his evil 500 soldiers and 100 sailors defeated the whole Aztec empire by themselves. 

[sunday]

34 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said:

- Cortés and his evil 500 soldiers and 100 sailors defeated the whole Aztec empire by themselves. 

Well, Cortés and his men were doing God's work, so a bit of help from Above should not surprise us. Even if defeating an empire of mostly misguided murderers was easy when first one goes through the lands of their future victims.

Also, No wonder the English were so afraid of the Great and Most Happy Armada a bit later, in 1588, nor no wonder the English Counter-Armada of 1589 ended so badly.

[lucklucky]

4 hours ago, R011 said:

There's well over a hundred thousand years of Homo Sapiens  existence and hundreds of thousands more of our predecessors.  As techniques improve and more research is done, they're going to find new things that increase our knowledge of those times.  Nor do you need to go back that far to find new data.  Lots of archaeology dealing with historical events to the point where one wonders if its archaeology or forensics.

They'd have to sift the whole world to bedrock in order to find everything.

I have no doubt, currently we see people going out with their metal detects, i expect that in a couple decades they will have portable radars.

One of the good effects of technology is that will increasing the interest, more people doing it, more chances of finding something.

 

[bd1]

downside of that is of course that these detectorists destroy everything. my wife is archeologist, she has told me how she went to some inspections with certified (as in trained ) detectorists. these walk in front of her , beeep - picks up something, meh , junk, drops it. couple meters later, again, beeep , meh. drops it

  10 meters behind - professional archeologist - picks up, whoa, iron smelting residue, bog iron , 20th such find in 20 minutes, major iron-smelting site, probably 12 th century

coauthored a paper about that particular place iirc. 

 

another example -say  if a detectorist discovers such site, they usually just pick up their metal  stuff, scramble everything else during it, and ask for reward.  if they are not there first, such things happen - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salme_ships

my wife once said that she thinks that more treasures have been looted and sites destroyed in last 15 years than in previous 200 or something like that, all thanks to detectorists

 

iirc black market for archeology finds was 4th or 5th place in europe, after drug smuggling, gun trafficking , human trafficking  etc. 

[Rick]

14 hours ago, JWB said:

You don't believe Neanderthal existed?

Not as an evolutionary step to Homo Sapien.  

[Stuart Galbraith]

Does the bible say anything about the flat earth?

[lucklucky]

9 hours ago, bd1 said:

downside of that is of course that these detectorists destroy everything. my wife is archeologist, she has told me how she went to some inspections with certified (as in trained ) detectorists. these walk in front of her , beeep - picks up something, meh , junk, drops it. couple meters later, again, beeep , meh. drops it

  10 meters behind - professional archeologist - picks up, whoa, iron smelting residue, bog iron , 20th such find in 20 minutes, major iron-smelting site, probably 12 th century

coauthored a paper about that particular place iirc. 

 

another example -say  if a detectorist discovers such site, they usually just pick up their metal  stuff, scramble everything else during it, and ask for reward.  if they are not there first, such things happen - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salme_ships

my wife once said that she thinks that more treasures have been looted and sites destroyed in last 15 years than in previous 200 or something like that, all thanks to detectorists

 

iirc black market for archeology finds was 4th or 5th place in europe, after drug smuggling, gun trafficking , human trafficking  etc. 

Yes that will be also a certain occurrence unfortunately.

[JWB]

7 hours ago, Rick said:

Not as an evolutionary step to Homo Sapien.  

There are considered to have been a sub species or an offshoot. Not a step like H. Erectus.

[R011]

10 hours ago, Rick said:

Not as an evolutionary step to Homo Sapien.  

That's true as they weren't a step towards, like Homo Habilus et al, but Homo Sapiens Neanderthalensis is a sub species of Homo Sapiens, contemporary with Homo Sapiens Sapiens (us) who likely were absorbed into the general HSS population.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

[lucklucky]

Any symbology in the piece Stuart?

[Ivanhoe]

39 minutes ago, lucklucky said:

Any symbology in the piece Stuart?

Early MAGA. 

[lucklucky]

Haha

[Stuart Galbraith]

I was going to say Celtic cross, but its at least 200 years too early for that it seems.

[lucklucky]

Maybe it was the start of it.

Edited October 21, 2023 by lucklucky

[Ivanhoe]

10 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I was going to say Celtic cross, but its at least 200 years too early for that it seems.

No reason why a paganist Anglo-Saxon chieftain wouldn't buy a snazzy trinket like that, not knowing or knowing but not caring about the embedded Christianity. 

Its not like modern wealthy celebs don't wear cross-containing jewelry to their raves and orgies. 

 

[Laser Shark]

16 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said:

No reason why a paganist Anglo-Saxon chieftain wouldn't buy a snazzy trinket like that, not knowing or knowing but not caring about the embedded Christianity. 

Its not like modern wealthy celebs don't wear cross-containing jewelry to their raves and orgies. 

 

If it's some kind of sun cross/wheel cross, then such symbols have been used by proto-Germanic peoples since the Bronze Age. Not that this means that it couldn't have been made by a Christian (this brooch dates from a time when the  Anglo-Saxon kingdoms were going through Christianization), or that such a symbol couldn't have carried a different (or perhaps simply additional) meaning for whoever made it than it may have had for their ancestors.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

[lucklucky]

Great.

[lucklucky]

https://www.space.com/spy-satellite-images-declassified-roman-empire-forts-discovered

Quote

 

Hundreds of Roman Empire forts popped up in old spy satellite imagery depicting regions of Syria, Iraq and nearby "fertile crescent" territories of the eastern Mediterranean.

These satellites were once used for reconnaissance in the 1960s and 1970s, but their data is now declassified. Some of their archived images are now allowing for fresh archaeology finds in Earth zones often difficult for researchers to visit.