chino Posted December 30, 2010 Posted December 30, 2010 They aren't midgets, at-least not the ones I meet on a regular basis. The smallest I have recently seen might have been 5" shorter than myself, and at my height that still puts him at a respectful vertical distance. Sounds like Discovery channel.
EvanDP Posted December 30, 2010 Posted December 30, 2010 If anybody can identify the truck in the photo somebody can figure out the dimensions of the jet.
chino Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 If anybody can identify the truck in the photo somebody can figure out the dimensions of the jet. The wheels of the truck is probably standard size for a truck of that tonnage. So if you know the dimension of those wheels, you can try a rough calculation?
Guest JamesG123 Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 So that, not very scientific, estimate puts it in the ball park of the F-111 and F-14? Does not narrow it down much beyond what we already know.
chino Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 My guesstimate was also that it is near the size of the F-111. Another guesstimate is that it will have a big naval role. Probably able to carry large anti-shipping missiles. Maybe even ability to be carrier borne?
TRYTRY Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 PLAN will use the navy model on the self-build aircraft carrier.
Archie Pellagio Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Do you have any source for that? It would have to be considerably modified to achieve that, especially the whole undercarriage system is wholly unsuited to carrier ops.
JamesR Posted December 31, 2010 Posted December 31, 2010 Do you have any source for that? It would have to be considerably modified to achieve that, especially the whole undercarriage system is wholly unsuited to carrier ops. Don't forget, the F111 started life as a joint Airforce/Navy project with Navy F111s performing tests on the carriers. I think I read somewhere that this Chinese fighter is around 75 feet long. The F111 is ~73 feet long according to wiki. All the new major air/sea weapon systems out of China lately seem to be targeted at U.S. carrier groups. I'm betting this new fighter is a standoff platform for attacking carrier groups that can also carry air-air missiles if needed.
swerve Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 I think I read somewhere that this Chinese fighter is around 75 feet long.There are currently arguments about its size going on, with various attempts being made to estimate it from the heights of mechanics, size of vehicles parked next to it, etc. Another estimate I've seen is 22 metres, which is slightly less.
Guest JamesG123 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 3rd degree Hubris. Long March: China’s fifth-generation fighter is years away Presuming that PRC programs progress at our own slothful pace while posting a picture of it rotating on at "taxi test".
tankerwanabe Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 How does aircraft stealth technology work? Is it a design? Or is it a stealth coating? Or a combination of both? What I'm asking is whether the PRC could just copy the Y-23 from photos & plastic scales then play with the shape to get stealth.
Paul in Qatar Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 I don't know anything about fighters, but it does look large and chubby.
Guest JamesG123 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 How does aircraft stealth technology work? Is it a design? Or is it a stealth coating? Or a combination of both? Yes, it requires an integrated design. Everything from materials, coatings, and internal component configuration. What I'm asking is whether the PRC could just copy the Y-23 from photos & plastic scales then play with the shape to get stealth. Considering how badly Chinese intelligence owns us, they probably worked from the F-22 plans and all of the low observable technology information.
Gunguy Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 .Considering how badly Chinese intelligence owns us, they probably worked from the F-22 plans and all of the low observable technology information. Bingo!! It always takes them less time to get up to speed. They have a massive spying campaign going on in the US Military Industrial Complex. They have access to most things we do not as citizens. They have plans for most things that are already in service. It's just too hard to keep anything a secret onced its introduced to the field.
JasonJ Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Bingo!! It always takes them less time to get up to speed. They have a massive spying campaign going on in the US Military Industrial Complex. They have access to most things we do not as citizens. They have plans for most things that are already in service. It's just too hard to keep anything a secret onced its introduced to the field. Would such a situation make it easier for the USA to give the ok to other countries like Japan or Australia to purchase the F-22, if the stolen design plans was proven? (if not already too obvious) And if so, would Japan cancel its indigenous stealth fighter "shinshin" program if they can buy F-22 at price that is reasonable to them?
Guest JamesG123 Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Probably not as they are trying to support their own domestic aerospace industry. Any "F-22J" deal would probably require local manufacture like the F-15Js. And in this economic/political climate, I can't see that happening.
TSJ Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 from the Baker Institute: why bloggers broke the news about China's new aircraft http://blogs.chron.com/bakerblog/2011/01/why_bloggers_broke_the_news_on_chinas_new_fighter.html
Guest JamesG123 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 He is mistaking intelligence with publicity. Intelligence is obtaining information that the other guy doesn't want you to know about, NOT that he hands you on a silver platter for his own purposes.
LeoTanker Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Would such a situation make it easier for the USA to give the ok to other countries like Japan or Australia to purchase the F-22, if the stolen design plans was proven? (if not already too obvious) And if so, would Japan cancel its indigenous stealth fighter "shinshin" program if they can buy F-22 at price that is reasonable to them? Is the F-22 production line still open?? Or could it be restarted to build new frames for JSDF if an sale gets approved? IMHO I bet the whole Japanese F-X thing is a lot of hot air to "blackmail" the US to sell them Raptors instead of F-35s (like all the others are getting). Were would they get the super powerful jet engined required for an heavy 5:th gen fighter to start with?More or less all of their modern fighter jet designs have been based on an existing US frame in one form or an other... And all of a sudden they are ready and able to scratch build a fith gen fighter completely on their own? That will be good enougth to compete with the F-22? Well, maybe. Maybe not. Time will tell, but I doubt it.
wendist Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Apologies if already posted. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=53d_1294436432
Archie Pellagio Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Would such a situation make it easier for the USA to give the ok to other countries like Japan or Australia to purchase the F-22, if the stolen design plans was proven? (if not already too obvious) It is difficult to see Australia buying F22's unless the F35 goes truly tits up.F22A just doesn't offer the varied strike package the RAAF needs. Same reason we went with F/A18A's instead of F15C's. Basically the US has bet the farm on the F35 program, as such it is pretty much 'Too Big To Fail' to borrow Washington speak.The unveiling of both PAK-FA and now XXJ undermine the previous temptation to rely on 3.5 gen warm-overs in F15/16/18 flavours as the backbone with an F22 tip of the spear.It is F35-a-go-go or we just hand over the keys to the Chinese and turn off the light as we leave. More or less all of their modern fighter jet designs have been based on an existing US frame in one form or an other... And all of a sudden they are ready and able to scratch build a fith gen fighter completely on their own? That will be good enougth to compete with the F-22? Well, maybe. Maybe not. Time will tell, but I doubt it. The experience gained with F2 would probably be enough for an ersatz-F22.It isn't just a super-F16
swerve Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 IMHO I bet the whole Japanese F-X thing is a lot of hot air to "blackmail" the US to sell them Raptors instead of F-35s (like all the others are getting). Were would they get the super powerful jet engined required for an heavy 5:th gen fighter to start with?More or less all of their modern fighter jet designs have been based on an existing US frame in one form or an other... Japan has only had two modern fighter jet designs (as distinct from licence-built US designs), of which one was based on a US design, & the other was indigenous - though using licence-built engines from a similar foreign (Franco-British) aircraft. 50% isn't 'more or less all'.
Olof Larsson Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Japan has only had two modern fighter jet designs (as distinct from licence-built US designs), of which one was based on a US design, & the other was indigenous - though using licence-built engines from a similar foreign (Franco-British) aircraft. 50% isn't 'more or less all'. So they get the engine from someone else. Just the way Sweden did with the engines (and many other components)in the JAS 39 Gripen, the JA/AJ/SH/SF/Sk37 Viggen, the J/S/Sk35 Draken, the J/A/S32 Lansen, the J/A/S29 Tunnan, the Sk60, the J/A21R, the J/A21, the J22, the B/T/S18, the B/S17, the S1 and the J6. We also planned to use foreign engines in the J19, J23, J/B24, J27, A36 and the A/Sk38. If it has worked for every swedish made combat aircraft since the 1920'sI don't see why the japanese couldn't do the same thing.
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