AT-3 sagger still fielded?

[Richard Young]

IS the AT-3 still fielded by anyone?

[Sami Jumppanen]

IS the AT-3 still fielded by anyone?

 

Hezbollah used them 2006. But for all i know they might have shot out all of their stock. Also, some south american countries were mentioned for using them when this topic was up last time.

[m4a1]

Poland. On BMP-1s (live firing in BMP-1s in 10th Armored Cavalary Brigade - yeah, that one with Leopard 2A4s) about a year ago, plus 9P133 on BRDM-2. Man-portable probably withdrawn.

[TonyE]

The Peruvian army seem to mount them on any vehicle that can still roll by its own power.

[Guest JamesG123]

The US still teaches the ANA how to fire Saggers. AFAIK it is still the primary/only ATGM they field (in very limited number). I donno from whom or where we/they bought them from, but there you go.

[Archie Pellagio]

The Chinese still manufacture increasingly modernised variants.

[Marek Tucan]

Poland. On BMP-1s (live firing in BMP-1s in 10th Armored Cavalary Brigade - yeah, that one with Leopard 2A4s) about a year ago, plus 9P133 on BRDM-2. Man-portable probably withdrawn.

 

Czech army, same - mostly on BPzV recon vehicles (based on BRM-1).

[bojan]

Serbia, 9M14M MCLOS on M-80A IFV and infantry models, 9M14P1/P2 SACLOS on POLO M83 (BOV-1) SP-atgm.

[Richard Young]

Thanks for all the replies...in the countries still using them, are they still the primary ATGM? Other than China, is there still ongoing production?

 

The current ones no longer use the "joystick - fly it to the target" type of control, do they?

Edited April 20, 2010 by Richard Young

[Typhoid Maxx]

Thanks for all the replies...in the countries still using them, are they still the primary ATGM? Other than China, is there still ongoing production?

 

The current ones no longer use the "joystick - fly it to the target" type of control, do they?

 

Well, I'm 35 and don't think I've even seen a joystick type Malyutka (AT-3 Sagger). Keep the reticule on target and it'll hit where looking. Ours - Serb - had upgraded warheads, but wither that was across the board I have no idea. Could have been done in batches with oversea sales the primary recipient - or any combo you think of*

 

* Not sure of the exact details, but I do remember talk vis a vis a Anti aircraft officer complain the thermal visuals of his Kubs - SA-6 - anti aircraft missile system had been sold of to somewhere east - Egypt or some such.

 

Remember hearing this before the 1999 NATO air campaign

[Marek Tucan]

Here, the Malutkas are being used mostly by recon units with BPzVs and BVP-1s (both classified due to a caveat in disarmament treaties as Light tanks/Tank destroyers and thus their numbers were vastly reduced, partly by conversions to OT-90 APC). AFAIK mech units use BVP-2, ie AT-5.

Of course, newest mech units are receiving Spike LR.

[Pavel Novak]

Hallo Tuccy

That info that BVP-1 was classified as light tank or tank destroyer is very widespread between czech military fans (I even heard it from intelligence man several years ago at some meeting) but is totally untrue. CFE treaty (yes I read that treaty) very clearly defines what is tank, APC, IVF and others types of weapons and BVP-1 and BPzV without any problem are members of IFVs because one definition of IFV is cannon up to 75 mm and BVP-1 has just 73 mm. And apart from definition there is also list of weapons in this treaty where all at that time used weapons are classified in their categories and once again BVP-1 is in IFV column.

 

The reason why Czechoslovakia had to reduce numbers of BVP-1 lies in something different. The numbers of weapons which were set due to treaty distinguish between APC (main characteristic is weapon up to 20 mm) and IFV and while there was determined some overall number for all APCs, IFVs and also HACVs (these we didn't have) there was also determined max limit of IFVs in that overall number. And we had more IFVs (about 2500) than treaty allowed but at the same time it was decided to scrap most of obsolete APCs (OT-62, OT-64, OT-65). So to maximally utilize limits specified in treaty it was decided to retain all new BVP-2 and BPzV but reduce number of BVP-1 to fit numbers of IFVs while surplus BVP-1 were converted to OT-90 classified as APC so also extended numbers of APCs were used.

 

Regards

[Marek Tucan]

Ah, thanks for correction

 

Btw any info whether there are any portable ATGMs used by Czech army today?

[Pavel Novak]

Five years ago we still have 9M14M, 9M14P, 9M111, 9M111M and 9M113 stored but all of them were offered for sale and are gradually scrapped. We don't have any dedicated launchers for 9M14P in service (although this missile can be launched from 9M14M launchers but then it is guided as 9M14M). Anyway all of them are at the end of its lifetime (or behind it) and with possible exception of 9M113 (but all 9P148 launchers are also scrapped or sold but there are still BVP-2s) it seems to me that nobody counts with these missiles anymore (at least I don't hear anything about training with them anymore).