Stuart Galbraith Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 8 hours ago, Yama said: I think this happened with all Bonds, except Connery whose best movies were in the middle (though early ones were good too). Character just runs its course, screenwriters out of ideas and lead actor out of motivation. But all Bonds have their fanbase. Just recently I was involved in attempting to find elderly lady bunch of books and movies for the summer: surprisingly, she especially wanted Bond movies, and specified "...and they must have Roger Moore in it, he was the real James Bond!" Agreed, one should have Marvel or George Lucas-like control over it if one really wants to push "big story arc". I don't see it happening. Reboot is pretty much necessary as Bond is too old now for even comics-style 'sliding timeline'. He would be what, 110 years old by now...? (And of course now they killed Bond, and have to start over). Long contracts are two-edged sword, they make the actor iconic, but also the franchise becomes their prisoner. Much as I love Diamonds are forever, there is no doubt that Connery looked tired and bored in that one. Which is a shame, because it was in many ways one of the most innovative ones they made. I like Roger Moore. Im not sure he was the best Bond, but he is a favourite of mine. Specifically Live and Let Die, The Spy who loved me and For your Eyes only. The latter I think, whilst it has clunky dialogue, is actually one of his best. I think they should either had 3 story arcs and contracts to keep the same team together (which considering how much they cost, I just cannot see happening in this say and age). Or just go back to stand alones As for the reboot, here is a daring suggesting, but the more I think about it, the more I think it would work. I think the next Bond should be Dev Patel. If you are chasing the market, India is clearly the one to be chasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: I think they should either had 3 story arcs and contracts to keep the same team together (which considering how much they cost, I just cannot see happening in this say and age). Or just go back to stand alones Agreed. Lock the whole team in to doing 3 movies in roughly 6 years or less, then wrap it up and let everyone move on. As for the reboot, here is a daring suggesting, but the more I think about it, the more I think it would work. I think the next Bond should be Dev Patel. If you are chasing the market, India is clearly the one to be chasing. Good idea, but wrong actor. Patel doesn't have the physicality to pull that role off. Of course, if you really want to twist people's tails, choose a Sikh. Watch LW heads explode when they realize the POC Bond is from a very conservative culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 In think that the Bond who you watch as a kid is the one you remember fondly the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 That would've been Moore, and it's the one I like least. Heck, even the first one with Timothy Dalton wasn't as bad as the worst with Moore. Goldeneye was wonderful, as was the Casino Royale reboot with Craig. Connery's makeup prosthetics to make him pass as an Asian in Dr. No are cringeworthy, though the film is otherwise actually pretty good, probably because it has a considerable investigative amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 (edited) The Asian 'blackface' scene, thats you only live twice. And yes, its completely weird, and so off the wall, almost like the bit at the beginning when he gets murdered, and then fired out of a Torpedo tube. Its what you get when you get a script off Roald Dahl I guess. Edited July 8 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 46 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said: Agreed. Lock the whole team in to doing 3 movies in roughly 6 years or less, then wrap it up and let everyone move on. Whether there is enough money in Christendom to do it that way, I dont know. But what the hell, Disney seems to find the money for multi film arcs for StarWars, and they seem to make money, even though they are universally panned. There assuredly has to be a market for doing it this way. I dont know, drop a pile of cash in front of Dev, and watch the little bastard bulk up, faster than you can say 'beefcake'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 You mean "steroids." If Disney can afford to lose $100M on every Star Wars miscarriage they drop, surely Hollywood can scrape up the dinero to make good series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 You would think so. Alas, it would seem otherwise. Not that im knocking the Brocolli's stewardship over the past 60 years, by and large they did a great job. But there is a case for changing up a notch, and they dont seem to want to do it. They arguably nearly lost the Bond franchise after the Bourne films came out. They were fortunate that the creators of that franchise runn out of imagination after 4 films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Last Kevin Costner project, "Horizon", promises to be good. Like a 1950s western in four installments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 11 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Much as I love Diamonds are forever, there is no doubt that Connery looked tired and bored in that one. Which is a shame, because it was in many ways one of the most innovative ones they made. I like Roger Moore. Im not sure he was the best Bond, but he is a favourite of mine. Specifically Live and Let Die, The Spy who loved me and For your Eyes only. The latter I think, whilst it has clunky dialogue, is actually one of his best. Yes those movies are genuinely good Bond films, but some of his movies also made Bond a parody of himself, and I think Moore is somewhat underappreciated by large share of Bond fans due to that. I also see Connery a bit overrated, sure he had great physical charisma and presence, but he was a limited actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 I am also in the Connery-Underwhelmed club, and I can understand why Moore had to take one for the team and be the anti-Connery. Waste of a good actor, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, sunday said: Last Kevin Costner project, "Horizon", promises to be good. Like a 1950s western in four installments. It's had really bad reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 I liked Roger Moore the best. The only thing I didn't like about him was that he played Bond in a very camp style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim the Tank Nut Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 it was a camp time... those movies were a reflection of the time in which they were made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 28 minutes ago, TrustMe said: It's had really bad reviews. Some good, also. Most bad reviews are from people that were expecting a full movie, not the first part of four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 2 hours ago, TrustMe said: I liked Roger Moore the best. The only thing I didn't like about him was that he played Bond in a very camp style. Moore could play ruthless Bond, and he did in early movies. But gradually that aspect was weeded out, and he became 'lovable uncle Bond' who was just this charming gadget agent. It didn't help that he was older than Connery, and by Moonraker it began to show. Connery had this 'rough diamond' charisma which was perfect for Bond, and how Fleming envisioned the character. But too often he came across as if he didn't take his lines seriously. In this he compares very unfavourably to Dalton or Craig, or even Brosnan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 In other news, I went to watch 'Furiosa'. It was not the worst Mad Max movie, but it felt long and disjointed. Fury Road was centered around two or three truly kickass action sequences. Furiosa did not have that focus, it was somewhat all over the place. Hemsworth was fun as erratic warlord, and Anya Taylor-Joy is, um, joy to watch. But...that's about it. I feel that Fury Road is kinda like Matrix, effect of its visuals cannot be exceeded and any retread is going to feel like a downer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 RUMINT is that Sicario 3 is in development. I hope so, the first two were rare exceptions to my "Hollywood Sucks" default position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 10 hours ago, TrustMe said: I liked Roger Moore the best. The only thing I didn't like about him was that he played Bond in a very camp style. Yeah, that was the 70's man. If you think that was camp, just wait till you seel a John Shaft film. Its quite interesting to compare them stylistically to the Milk Tray adverts of the same period, which were smiliarly flamboyant and over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 8 hours ago, Yama said: Moore could play ruthless Bond, and he did in early movies. But gradually that aspect was weeded out, and he became 'lovable uncle Bond' who was just this charming gadget agent. It didn't help that he was older than Connery, and by Moonraker it began to show. Connery had this 'rough diamond' charisma which was perfect for Bond, and how Fleming envisioned the character. But too often he came across as if he didn't take his lines seriously. In this he compares very unfavourably to Dalton or Craig, or even Brosnan. Well, to an extent perhaps. But as late as 1981's For your eyes only, he was still doing stuff like this. For me, this is about as cold, ruthless and badass as Bond has ever gotten. Im pretty sure Ian Fleming would have loved it, not least because it was a German car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 4 hours ago, Ivanhoe said: RUMINT is that Sicario 3 is in development. I hope so, the first two were rare exceptions to my "Hollywood Sucks" default position. After watching Sicario I will never goto to holiday in Mexico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, TrustMe said: After watching Sicario I will never goto to holiday in Mexico I have enough reasons only with the news that come out of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 14 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Well, to an extent perhaps. But as late as 1981's For your eyes only, he was still doing stuff like this. For me, this is about as cold, ruthless and badass as Bond has ever gotten. Im pretty sure Ian Fleming would have loved it, not least because it was a German car. I somewhat agree, that movie was an attempt for "back to basics" Bond, and it worked..almost. But IMO, Moore was too old to be Bond by that time. Extra half star for the car not exploding during the fall. Which would have happened in a Brosnan Bond (of course, they would not have blown up German car) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 12 hours ago, TrustMe said: After watching Sicario I will never goto to holiday in Mexico There are places to go that are fairly safe. Best indicator is whether cruise ships stop there; Cozumel, for example is still pretty safe (by Mexican standards). Ironically, a few miles away from Cozumel there is Cancun, which used to be wonderful and upscale but is now crime-ridden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrunt6 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 12 hours ago, TrustMe said: After watching Sicario I will never goto to holiday in Mexico I love the soundtrack. That music can get so menacing, like the Jaws theme. "Acabe tu cena...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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