Movies

[Ivanhoe]

[Rick]

A movie with authentic talent is the 1942 "Holiday Inn."

[TonyE]

Norwegian WW2 movie coming in december:

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Not bad. When was the last time you saw a Fairey Albacore and a Lockheed Hudson in a movie?

Im guessing this is about the aftermath of PQ17 splitting?

 

[R011]

Looks interesting and the CGI isn't too bad.  I hope it gets released with English subtitles or dubbing.

[Rick]

Gentlemen, let's be honest. This is THE movie we have been waiting for! It should be shown on Saturday mornings.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/coyote-vs-acme-wb-warners-canceled-reversal-shop-film-1235645372/

[Stuart Galbraith]

53 minutes ago, Rick said:

Gentlemen, let's be honest. This is THE movie we have been waiting for! It should be shown on Saturday mornings.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/coyote-vs-acme-wb-warners-canceled-reversal-shop-film-1235645372/

I guess they shelved it as a way to leverage cash to pay off the writers, and then suddenly backtracked when they finally realised nobody would be coming to them with new projects. Sounds like they need a new chairman.

Yeah, Ill watch that, it could be the perfect film.

[Stuart Galbraith]

17 hours ago, R011 said:

Looks interesting and the CGI isn't too bad.  I hope it gets released with English subtitles or dubbing.

Not bad Polsten replicas (I assume thats what they are). Shame the gunshields look a little wooden, but otherwise fairly convincing.

 

[sunday]

3 hours ago, Rick said:

Gentlemen, let's be honest. This is THE movie we have been waiting for! It should be shown on Saturday mornings.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/coyote-vs-acme-wb-warners-canceled-reversal-shop-film-1235645372/

https://arkhavencomics.com/2023/11/15/wyle-e-coyote-makes-it-back-to-the-cliff/

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.military.com/off-duty/movies/2023/11/17/denzel-washington-will-terrorize-rome-legendary-general-hannibal-barca.html

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There are countless movies about or set in the Roman Empire, but it sometimes feels like Hollywood forgot about Hannibal Barca, the Carthaginian general who terrorized Rome in its early years.

Not anymore.

Deadline reports that Denzel Washington is reteaming with director Antoine Fuqua ("Training Day," "The Equalizer 3") for an as-yet untitled take on Hannibal's story for Netflix. Screenwriter John Logan, who was on the team that brought us "Gladiator," rounds out an all-star squad that should give any war movie fan goosebumps.

 

Of course, in the wake of the disastrous Queen Cleopatra series, a little prior research would have been nice;

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/07/20/opinion/l-hannibal-of-carthage-was-no-more-black-than-king-david-337391.html

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For 30 years, American blacks have claimed Hannibal as their own. When this was done in an ancient-history classroom at the University of Pennsylvania, Prof. William C. McDermott responded: "Yes, Hannibal was as black as King David."

The great Carthaginian was born in a city founded by Phoenicians from Tyre led by Dido-Elissa, sister of King Pygmalion and great-niece of Jezebel, the wife of Ahab, King of Israel. In short, the Carthaginians were Phoenicians, that is, northwest Semites, probably Canaanites, and of the same stock and almost the same language as the Hebrews. Indeed, the first-century Roman author Silius Italicus places Hannibal in a temple at Gades 

(modern Cadiz), praying to a god who had no idols or physical representations, which Silius thought marvelous and unaccountable.

Carthage, traditionally founded before Rome in 814 B.C., was every bit as Semitic demographically as Jerusalem, while Hannibal, son of Hamilcar Barca, probably born around 247 B.C., derived his ancestry from the Phoenician aristocracy.

 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

I really can't see it matters. He is a good actor and will doubtless do a good job with it.

Edited November 19, 2023 by Stuart Galbraith

[Ivanhoe]

[Stuart Galbraith]

I remember when Miss Saigon went to New York there was a furore that an English actor, the excellent Jonathan Pryce that you will probably remember from 'Brazil' (or the thinly veiled Rupert Murdoch portrayal in 'Tomorrow never dies), was hounded by the US Actors Equity organization, because dressing up as an asian man (he was playing French Vietnamese but that didnt matter) was 'an affront to Asian dignity'. When to be honest, having such a damn good actor playing an Asian cant be seen as anything but an honor.

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/jonathan-pryce-on-the-controversy-that-almost-sunk-miss-saigon-20160926-groc7a.html

Americans seem to get twisted up in knots about this kind of thing, im not quite sure why. Im reminded in Shakespeares day it was outlawed for women to play women in London playhouses (because moral degredation or something), something that didnt get overturned till Charles II's day if I recall correctly. So guys had to dress up in drag to play Queens and prostitutes. Did anyone get twisted up in knots about it? No. Because in the end its about whether someone is up to playing the part, not what sex or ethnicity they are.

Is it really any worse than Napoleon being played by someone too old to play him? Not really.

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by Stuart Galbraith

[BansheeOne]

Denzel is at the point where it pretty much doesn't matter who he plays; in part because he has stayed out of all political nonsense and race stuff, and generally because he's an excellent actor who, to borrow an alleged Robert de Niro quote, could play a schnitzel, too. I remember when he got his leading role Oscar, he was asked "How long do you think it will be before media doesn't feel the need to write 'black actor gets Oscar'?" His reply was "You're a journalist, right? Just do it." With the proper beard, he'll make a fine Hannibal, looking vaguely North African while nailing the character so much everyone forgets the rest.

Now if you really want to tick all the boxes, I have for some time worked on the concept of

DOWNFALL

The Diversity Remake

 

starring

 

Morgan Freeman

as Adolf Hitler

 

Michelle Yeoh

as Eva Braun

 

Benicio del Toro

as Josef Goebbels 

 

Peter Dinklage

as Generalfeldmarschall Wilhelm Keitel

 

Warwick Davis

as Generaloberst Alfred Jodl

 

Elliot Page

as General Wilhelm Burgdorf

 

with

 

Caitlyn Jenner

as Gerda Christian

 

and

 

Lizzo

as Traudl Junge

 

And the horrible thing of course is that they would be totally great and absolutely kill it even if they were just doing the Hitler rant scene ...

[Stuart Galbraith]

I just found this on Reddit that illustrates the problem.

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/UMaUim75qh

[bd1]

59 minutes ago, BansheeOne said:

f

DOWNFALL

The Diversity Remake

 

starring

 

Morgan Freeman

as Adolf Hitler

 

Michelle Yeoh

as Eva Braun

 

Benicio del Toro

as Josef Goebbels 

 

Peter Dinklage

as Generalfeldmarschall Wilhelm Keitel

 

Warwick Davis

as Generaloberst Alfred Jodl

 

Elliot Page

as General Wilhelm Burgdorf

 

with

 

Caitlyn Jenner

as Gerda Christian

 

and

 

Lizzo

as Traudl Junge

 

And the horrible thing of course is that they would be totally great and absolutely kill it even if they were just doing the Hitler rant scene ...

can´t some AI site do this?

[Stuart Galbraith]

You mean like this?

 

[Ivanhoe]

Unsat. 

The only acceptable actor to play Hannibal, is, of course, Anthony Hopkins.

As for Hitler, the necessary characteristics are:

• short/petite
• always angry and bombastic
• hates Jews

That clearly adds up to Spike Lee. Its like a Torx bit going into a T12 setscrew, nothing else will suffice.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

8 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

Unsat. 

The only acceptable actor to play Hannibal, is, of course, Anthony Hopkins.

As for Hitler, the necessary characteristics are:

• short/petite
• always angry and bombastic
• hates Jews

That clearly adds up to Spike Lee. Its like a Torx bit going into a T12 setscrew, nothing else will suffice.

 

40 years ago maybe. He's like what, 80 now?

Best choice I think would have been a young Anthony Quinn, say right after 'Guns of Navarone'.

Edited November 20, 2023 by Stuart Galbraith

[BansheeOne]

Well, Denzel is going on 69, too. But then, George Peppard is dead and therefore unavailable. 😉

[Stuart Galbraith]

There is always...

I could imagine him on the back of a Carthaginian war elephant toting twin Uzi's. Inaccurate? Why not, Ridley Scott can get away with it!

[Ivanhoe]

2 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Well, Denzel is going on 69, too. But then, George Peppard is dead and therefore unavailable. 😉

Well played, sir, well played.

 

[Yama]

On 11/19/2023 at 2:26 PM, Stuart Galbraith said:

I really can't see it matters. He is a good actor and will doubtless do a good job with it.

Well, '300' already taught us that enemies of the Greco-Roman civilization must have had darker skin colour too.

And of course...

[Yama]

On 11/14/2023 at 4:19 AM, Ivanhoe said:

Saw it, and it was...not horrible, but not really good either. Firmly in the bottom third of MCU movies, like most of their recent offerings.

For two-thirds of the movie, I was quite entertained. Film's tone is not overly serious, lots of goofy stuff, but (mostly) not "stupid annoying goofy". However the ending was boring and very paint-by-numbers, and really took the whole thing down a notch or two.

Although MCU still produces occasional hit, it very much feels it has ran its course. One nail they still have left to fire is Avengers vs X-Men, they have been hinting at it, and they will do it, and probably quite soon before the actors become too old.

[sunday]

8 minutes ago, Yama said:

Well, '300' already taught us that enemies of the Greco-Roman civilization must have had darker skin colour too.

And of course...

Quite an infamous movie, especially because of the place it was shot (be careful opening that link, better in an incognito window)

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The Fallout of The Conqueror

Out of the 220 cast and crew members counted, 91 of them ended up developing a wide range of cancers in the next couple of decades, and 46 of them ended up succumbing to the disease. Among the fatalities were Powell, Wayne, and stars Susan Hayward and Pedro Armendáriz. This number does not account for the primarily Native American extras in the film, which likely means the number of humans affected was much higher, but the many animals in the film were also not safe. There are, naturally, other reasons that one would get cancer in the 1950s, everyone really, really liked to smoke back then for example, but having almost half the cast and crew of the same film all succumbing to a disease that is caused by nuclear fallout seems like a pretty big coincidence. All of them spent months downwind of a nuclear test site, breathing the air, drinking the water, and touching the dirt not only there, but in re-shoots when Hughes insisted it is imported in.

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