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[Corinthian]

 

 

I'm just hoping this flop was big enough that heads roll at Disney. Not that the franchise can recover at this point but just for the sake of the morons that got us here getting canned.

 

 

Disney will reinforce it with more Diversity which will be Priority Number One in these films, because that's wot The World Needs.

[Corinthian]

Deadpool 2 was fun. Yukio is adorable. Too bad Terry Crews didn't have much comedy screen time, but the X-Force deaths were hilarious. Peter's jump scene - hahahahaha!

[Marek Tucan]

Oh yes, the X force was a perfect subversion of expectations.. and by the reactions in the cinema audience loved it.

 

The "racism" running gag was also great shot at the overuse of the term. And the soundtrack... Esp. the Enya moment

[bd1]

´though it was basicly the packing-all-the-guns-in-one-bag-for-huge-gunfight-and-then-forgetting-it-in-a-cab gag from the first movie. on a much grander scale

[Yama]

Do they need to merge Deadpool into the MCU?

They can't, they're different studios. If they weren't, we would already have X-Men fighting against Thanos (like they did in the comic). We'll have Deadpool popping in in an X-Man movie though.

 

If Eps 7 and 8 weren't so divisive I have no doubt Solo would have been a success. As I mentioned above we've had 3 Marvel movies in half a year and the lowest any of them earned (Ragnarok) was over $800 million worldwide. Throw in Deadpool 2 and we've had 4 comic book movies in 6 months and they've all been overwhelming successes.

 

Fans don't mind watching the same genre or franchise in short order at the theater if the movies are good. Eps 7 and 8 weren't and we're finally seeing the effects of that. I'm just hoping this flop was big enough that heads roll at Disney. Not that the franchise can recover at this point but just for the sake of the morons that got us here getting canned.

If prequels and midichlorians couldn't kill Star Wars off, nothing can. Though, George wisely had prequels coming up 3 years apart so people forgot how crap the previous one had been.

It's true that in various nerd forums, lots of people swore off Star Wars forever after Ep. 7/8. However that is only very small part of the active fanbase, as we have seen they do not have much effect on grander scale. Too early to write 'Solo' off as a flop, it has already earned back what it costed to make and will probably end up in 650-800 million range overall.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Yama

[Soren Ras]

 

Do they need to merge Deadpool into the MCU?

They can't, they're different studios. If they weren't, we would already have X-Men fighting against Thanos (like they did in the comic). We'll have Deadpool popping in in an X-Man movie though.

 

 

X-Men (and anything related to Marvel's mutant-related titles, thus also Deadpool) belong to Fox, but the interesting bit is that Disney (which owns Marvel Studios) recently bought Fox' movie and TV divisions, including all rights to X-Men (and any Fantastic Four related characters).

 

So, technically there is now nothing to prevent some Disney executive from putting everything into the MCU. In practical terms, though, as long as the Fox X-Men and Deadpool movies are generating big profits, they may not be quick to discontinue the current X-Men/Deadpool movie universe.

 

Though I would definitely expect more jokes/references to MCU in future Deadpool movies.

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Soren

[Mobius]

The Disney Fox deal isn't done yet. But anyway the mutant cancelling necklass is pretty risky storywise. If it emanates some radiation why couldn't there be a large array that broadcasts this rendering all mutants mundane/muggles? It is the kryptonite of the mutant universe.

[Yama]

Went to watch Jurassic World 2 yesterday, expecting it to be mostly crap but I like dinosaurs. And I got what I expected, it was mostly crap, but there was plenty of dinosaurs, so there.

As a standalone movie, it wasn't too awful but it was extremely unoriginal. Just about everything in the movie, including character archetypes, scenes, plot points and whatnot were recycled from earlier JP movies. You could call out almost everything which happened in advance as it had all happened before, most multiple times.

 

Oh and "T-Rex ninja's next to unsuspecting human" trope has got REAL OLD. To the point that it is a fossil, bury it and let it rest for next 150 million years.

[Skywalkre]

 

Do they need to merge Deadpool into the MCU?

They can't, they're different studios. If they weren't, we would already have X-Men fighting against Thanos (like they did in the comic). We'll have Deadpool popping in in an X-Man movie though.

 

If Eps 7 and 8 weren't so divisive I have no doubt Solo would have been a success. As I mentioned above we've had 3 Marvel movies in half a year and the lowest any of them earned (Ragnarok) was over $800 million worldwide. Throw in Deadpool 2 and we've had 4 comic book movies in 6 months and they've all been overwhelming successes.

 

Fans don't mind watching the same genre or franchise in short order at the theater if the movies are good. Eps 7 and 8 weren't and we're finally seeing the effects of that. I'm just hoping this flop was big enough that heads roll at Disney. Not that the franchise can recover at this point but just for the sake of the morons that got us here getting canned.

If prequels and midichlorians couldn't kill Star Wars off, nothing can. Though, George wisely had prequels coming up 3 years apart so people forgot how crap the previous one had been.

It's true that in various nerd forums, lots of people swore off Star Wars forever after Ep. 7/8. However that is only very small part of the active fanbase, as we have seen they do not have much effect on grander scale. Too early to write 'Solo' off as a flop, it has already earned back what it costed to make and will probably end up in 650-800 million range overall.

At this point I think we can solidly say it's a flop. It's floundering at around $320 million worldwide right now and expectations are it'll be lucky to reach $400 million (it's been way below R1 in daily intake since the very beginning and has had a less favorable domestic/international split the entire time). I read an article a few days ago that if that holds true Disney is looking at at least a $50 million loss on the film.

 

As for the hardcore fans I wouldn't so easily dismiss them. Sure, they're small in number, but they're also the ones who go to see a film multiple times. They're the ones that can't stop talking about it to family and friends (that's a lot of free advertising). Those folks were mostly quiet and simply didn't go at all to this movie. I think we're seeing the repercussions of that.

[toysoldier]

Diehard fans also buy the really expensive merchandize

[CT96]

Merchandise which is reportedly rotting on the shelves because the fans aren't buying it.

[Adam_S]

Went to watch Jurassic World 2 yesterday, expecting it to be mostly crap but I like dinosaurs. And I got what I expected, it was mostly crap, but there was plenty of dinosaurs, so there.

As a standalone movie, it wasn't too awful but it was extremely unoriginal. Just about everything in the movie, including character archetypes, scenes, plot points and whatnot were recycled from earlier JP movies. You could call out almost everything which happened in advance as it had all happened before, most multiple times.

 

Oh and "T-Rex ninja's next to unsuspecting human" trope has got REAL OLD. To the point that it is a fossil, bury it and let it rest for next 150 million years.

 

I never got the thing in the various Jurassic park movies where everybody's freaking out because the dinosaurs might get loose and kill all the humans. I mean we can build a handheld device that can punch a hole in the side of a tank. How many hits from one of those do we think a T-Rex can take?

[Adam_S]

The X-Men MCU crossover thing has already been done, FWIW.

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3unz4o

[Skywalkre]

I'm usually not into comic cartoons or some of the more odd comic story arcs but this trailer has my interest.

 

[Marek Tucan]

Hm looks interesting.

 

Also... Not really forced. I mean all these characters are already established in Spiderverse... Frankly the successof Marvel movies just shows that the "fans are hating on new Star Wars because they are racist misogynist" is bollocks. I mean Marvel is rolling out diversity in their movies like hell... But not really forced. Heck, they did the pansexual thing far better than Solo with Deadpool. Black heroes? Check (starting with Rhodes - a sidekick, but with a role to play). Females? Check. Even females not wearing skintight leather? Check. Homosexuals? Check. Black dude in position of power? Check, he even has his own helicarrier! And going by box office, individual movies may not be as good as individual "big" starwars, but rolling out several of them a year clearly works. And at the same time allows for a very diverse merchandise without need to add Ewoks.

 

I mean I liked even a lot of aspects of TLJ that are hated (I think for example that Luke actually made sense. He was a product of rushed improvised training, he singlehandedly turned vader and defeated Emperor, it is easy to see how he got cocky and screwed up and then reacted impulsively, dabbling too close to the Darkness. He used Dark side attributes at Jabba's after all. It's easy to see him do then the same as on Dagobah and give up, with noone to show him what to do. And his end was great - I mean, the Force mastery to appear as an interactive illusion to so many people was subtle yet better than any crazxy lightsaber duel - I have to say I hated Yoda lightsabering in the Prequels; I have no qualms about Snoke being ended, I did not buy into the hype for him and I do not need backstory, all that is needed to know is right there) but it just was not a good movie and not least because of the Leia Poppins, Admiral Pushcrewtomutiny Nopeopleskills ad most of all the Feelgood Bland Sidequest. That was just bad storytelling and movie could have been cut by quite some runtime without the main story suffering. Buit if you then go and call everyone who does not like the movie idiot (and double down to sexist and racist)...

 

Rant off.

[Panzermann]

from the moving pictures istory department:

 

why Kaleidoscope was not made by Hitchcock: http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20180620-why-hitchcocks-kaleidoscope-was-too-shocking-to-be-made

 

too shocking!

Edited June 23, 2018 by Panzermann

[toysoldier]

Its not exactly a movie, buts related: i am enjoying the living shirt out of the show "Hollywood Weapons fact or Fiction" which deals with, duh, gun stunts in movies and TV. The conductor, named Terry Schappert, its a mercurial fellow who manages to flesh the simple lets-shoot-stuff trope with details and background. It has this nice "take our gun fun seriously" approach, no jackassery at all. Give it a shot if you have spare time.

Edited June 23, 2018 by toysoldier

[Rick]

Saw Incredibles 2 at a drive-in theater. Not as good as the first, but not bad for light-hearted fare. What was most impressive was that our National Anthem was played before the movie. Virtually everyone quieted themselves and stood from beginning to end. Best part of the whole night.

[Skywalkre]

Eh... if true they still don't have a clue what's going on.

 

 

Exclusive: Future ‘A Star Wars Story’ Spinoffs on Hold at Lucasfilm

 

It may be a while before we see any more movies like Solo: A Star Wars Story out of Lucasfilm. Sources with knowledge of the situation tell Collider that Lucasfilm has decided to put plans for more A Star Wars Story spinoff movies on hold, instead opting to focus their attention on Star Wars: Episode IX and what the next trilogy of Star Wars films will be after that film.

http://collider.com/star-wars-spinoffs-on-hold/

 

The article is still clinging to BS excuses for Solo flopping (it may actually end up losing Disney $100 million at this point) to a May release date... despite Deadpool 2 going up against Infinity War a week earlier while being the fourth comic book movie in less than six months and doing just fine.

 

The article then goes on to rewrite history and make it out that R1 was a rocky start to these anthology movies... despite the fact it did just fine at the box office (it earned more domestically at this point in its release than Solo has earned worldwide... and fans actually liked it).

 

The focus will now be Ep. IX as well as the new trilogy by Rian Johnson and the trilogy by the GoT frontrunners.

 

 

So... there's all this backlash after TLJ which is likely a big reason Solo flops... but the folks in charge are still set on giving an entire trilogy to the director of TLJ, Rian Johnson, to further insult and tear down Star Wars?

 

[Marek Tucan]

Given their narrative it is also funny that an anthology movie with strong female lead worked far better than one with white male lead. Then again they will likely double down on gangs not liking TLJ because Rey is a girl ...

[Skywalkre]

Given their narrative it is also funny that an anthology movie with strong female lead worked far better than one with white male lead. Then again they will likely double down on gangs not liking TLJ because Rey is a girl ...

That's my favorite BS argument that just screams "you haven't really thought of this for more than 5 seconds... have you?" R1 had a female lead with a diverse cast... and did just fine. Why? It was a good movie that respected the OT and didn't dick with or insult the fans (about the only criticism I can go with after having watched the movie a few more times is that they probably throw too many references to the diehards).

 

Meanwhile Rey is a Mary Sue in a trilogy which insults the fans and destroys the stories of once beloved characters but it's really because she's a girl that we don't like her? I was talking to a friend recently (ex-gf who's a diehard Liberal) and it was painful trying to point out this disconnect to her. Like, seriously... it took her a good twenty minutes to admit "I guess I see your point?" and ultimately I'm still not sure if she was just being polite or if the light bulb finally went off.

[Sami Jumppanen]

 

 

Except that apparently the merchandise isn't selling. That's the kiss of death for the franchise.

Hopefully. I'd rather Star Wars die off than keep getting the PC/safe-blockbuster-BS 3/4 of the recent movies have been.

 

To follow up on this Solo opened up this weekend and apparently has underperformed. Some folks are talking about it 'tanking' but it's still doing on par with the weaker Marvel movies (the weaker Marvel movies apparently had a budget 1/3 the size of Solo, though). It may hit $100 million over the 4-day holiday weekend but that's less than Deadpool did just a week before (and that's R-rated) and it's 2/3 of what R1 pulled in. Overseas numbers are even worse.

 

Definitely looks like SW could be dying off...

 

 

That is kind of sad because i liked "Solo" (i just saw it) and i would like to see the sequel.

[CT96]

Solo was unprofitable for one reason, and one reason only: Episode 8. TLJ broke the franchise.

[Skywalkre]

Solo was unprofitable for one reason, and one reason only: Episode 8. TLJ broke the franchise.

No, no, no, no... it's fatigue which hurt Solo. No, wait... it was the May release. Better yet, it was both!

 

The amount of disconnect shown by folks at Disney and Lucasfilm is amazing. Makes you wonder how far things have to go for them to realize what's happened. I think Ep. IX will certainly do better than Solo but at what point, with likely much lower numbers than the previous films, will it finally dawn on these mouthbreathers that they destroyed what was one of the most solid franchises in film?

[NickM]

Its not exactly a movie, buts related: i am enjoying the living shirt out of the show "Hollywood Weapons fact or Fiction" which deals with, duh, gun stunts in movies and TV. The conductor, named Terry Schappert, its a mercurial fellow who manages to flesh the simple lets-shoot-stuff trope with details and background. It has this nice "take our gun fun seriously" approach, no jackassery at all. Give it a shot if you have spare time.

 

I watched him while I had that part of my cable package; my favorite ep was the Quigley Down Under ep where he went & visited with Tom Selleck who had the original Buffalo Rifle used in 'Quigley'; they were testing to see if a round from said weapon could actually go thru two henchmen at the same time...turns out that such a stunt (two baddies being taken out by one bullet) is actually called a 'Quigley' in the sniper community.