Typhoid Maxx Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Nevermind, it's just beyond me why anybody would want to put a flower pot together with ATGMs on major military exhibition, and I was terrified with the possibility that they actually did it twice.. fortunately, that pic is from Partner 07. Oh plant as in flower...sorry, had me confused. Maybe put that thing there to emphasis camouflage...I never could get into the mindset of anybody involved in YugoImport (or their ideas of marketing, website design, promotional material...)
shep854 Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Why? Think of it as PG-7M or Carl Gustaf of the ATGM world. Sure, there are newer, more effective (and much more expensive) toys, but most of times in combat you are also likely to make do with this cheap, simple thing. After all if you go head-to-head with tanks you are most likely done for regardless of your shiny toys and even with the shiny toys you would rather be firing them from flanks or such... There's that Russian proverb: " 'Best' is the enemy of 'good enough' ".
Jim Warford Posted July 25, 2009 Author Posted July 25, 2009 Jim, what are the circumstances of this shot? Whose missiles are these? Definitely not from old Soviet Army stock... Vas; good question...I don't know the circumstances. I do know that, like in Iraq, in Afghanistan, you can discover some interesting things.
Archie Pellagio Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Afghanistan... Shot at 2009-07-23 When was that pic taken? Everyone in three-tone desert uniforms would make it pre-2006 right, '06 at the latest?And who is the guy on the left? What is that uniform?Could it be he is some Eastern European PRT and they're the ones operating the saggers?I'd say that would have to be more likely than trying to use 25+ year old afghan ATGM's...
Marek Tucan Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 I think he's more likely to be instructor there to teach ANA how to use them than to actually use them - I cannot recall seeing any Coalition vehicle fit for Saggers, Czech PRT for example uses BVP-2 for base security so that's be AT-5, not AT-3... And for that matter I don not know whether they have missiles at all.
geronimo Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 Why? Think of it as PG-7M or Carl Gustaf of the ATGM world. Sure, there are newer, more effective (and much more expensive) toys, but most of times in combat you are also likely to make do with this cheap, simple thing. After all if you go head-to-head with tanks you are most likely done for regardless of your shiny toys and even with the shiny toys you would rather be firing them from flanks or such... Myes, but why do other countries field more modern ATGMs then if it is so simple? Also, the PLA does have newer types of ATGM in service - for instance the Red Arrow 8 - so why not mount these on the new vehicles?
kNiks Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 I think he's more likely to be instructor there to teach ANA how to use them than to actually use them - I cannot recall seeing any Coalition vehicle fit for Saggers, Czech PRT for example uses BVP-2 for base security so that's be AT-5, not AT-3... And for that matter I don not know whether they have missiles at all.Yes, makes sense, it could be Romanian instructor, they use both Malyutka and desert DPM...
Typhoid Maxx Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Yes, makes sense, it could be Romanian instructor, they use both Malyutka and desert DPM... Uniforms improved...I remember when the "universal" Romanian color pattern used to be that strange "brown with a hint of yellow" multi patched thing.
Yalmuk Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 These things are still flying! HJ-73C (saclos variant) fired in recent exercise.
Nikolas93TS Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Yugo versions are:9M14M/MB1 - MCLOS, 3000m range, 400mm penetration, 1971.9M14P/PB1 - SACLOS, 3000m range, 460mm penetration, 1979.9M14P1/P1B1 - SACLOS, 3500m range, 520mm penetration, 1982.9M14P2/P2B1 - SACLOS, 3500m range, 600mm penetration, improved speed, 1988.9M14P3/P2B1 Maljutka 2T - SACLOS, 3500m range, 900mm penetration behind ERA, improved speed, improved resistance to jamming, 1992.9M14P3F/P3B1F Maljutka 2F - same as above but with thermobaric warhead. Have those variants ever entered widespread service in those years, and how common they were?
shep854 Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Yalmuk, are those North Koreans? If so, use of those missiles is not surprising, since they are at least a generation behind on most everything.
R011 Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Yalmuk, are those North Koreans? If so, use of those missiles is not surprising, since they are at least a generation behind on most everything. The site is Chinese and the insignia appear to be too.
tankerwanabe Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 For a missile that looks like a kid's backyard science project, it sure is potent.
Djuice Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Yup they are Chinese... but I wouldn't be surprised if they have been exported to NK.
shep854 Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Yalmuk, are those North Koreans? If so, use of those missiles is not surprising, since they are at least a generation behind on most everything. The site is Chinese and the insignia appear to be too. Thanks.
Guest Jason L Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 I'm rather surprised the thermobaric version hasn't seen more traction. It seems like a much more effective option for a guided HE round than using any of the more modern (and assumed far more expensive) Soviet/Russian missile systems to deliver what is basically just a shell.
Djuice Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 (edited) AT-3 Sagger used to hit a "tractor"??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KfDCLuPpz_A Edited June 29, 2013 by Djuice
bojan Posted June 29, 2013 Posted June 29, 2013 Yugo versions are:9M14M/MB1 - MCLOS, 3000m range, 400mm penetration, 1971.9M14P/PB1 - SACLOS, 3000m range, 460mm penetration, 1979.9M14P1/P1B1 - SACLOS, 3500m range, 520mm penetration, 1982.9M14P2/P2B1 - SACLOS, 3500m range, 600mm penetration, improved speed, 1988.9M14P3/P2B1 Maljutka 2T - SACLOS, 3500m range, 900mm penetration behind ERA, improved speed, improved resistance to jamming, 1992.9M14P3F/P3B1F Maljutka 2F - same as above but with thermobaric warhead. Have those variants ever entered widespread service in those years, and how common they were? P1 was seen mounted on Gazelles and POLO M-83 BOV TD. It was also used on handfull of M-80AK that saw service during war in Bosnia.P2, I am pretty sure it did not see service, but Slovenians offered modernization package at one moment that was pretty similar to this one.
Rod Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 AT-3 Sagger used to hit a "tractor"??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KfDCLuPpz_ Hezbollah was said to use to use tractors/dozers to help in Qusayr MOUT. I guess they were taking a page from IDF manual for MOUT but they don't have the massive D9s. Interesting how casual the shooter is: sandals and his tea kettle next to him.
Djuice Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 Seriously hard to aim these things, and even electical power cables can be a hazard.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IhVF8JlfjrU
EchoFiveMike Posted July 3, 2013 Posted July 3, 2013 Seriously hard to aim these things, and even electical power cables can be a hazard.. The poor stunted "Allah's Snackbar" at the end of the video made me laugh and laugh and laugh. It's even better than the hysterical "Snackbarring" from that video where the regional terrorist commander gets smoked while spraying unaimed fire from the belt fed. It's like some sort of sick parody, but it's real. S/F.....Ken M
Sikkiyn Posted July 3, 2013 Posted July 3, 2013 I must have missed that one about the commander, do share... Always up for a good laugh at the end of shift.
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