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Judging from the pix, they are still being produced (!) Not bad I guess for an ATGM. Other than enhancing penetration (which I reckon was part of the upgrade), did they upgrade the guidance package as well? Up to what extent?

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Other than enhancing penetration (which I reckon was part of the upgrade), did they upgrade the guidance package as well? Up to what extent?

Sagger D is with SACLOS guidance, no longer MCLOS.

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Yugo versions are:

9M14M/MB1 - MCLOS, 3000m range, 400mm penetration, 1971.

9M14P/PB1 - SACLOS, 3000m range, 460mm penetration, 1979.

9M14P1/P1B1 - SACLOS, 3500m range, 520mm penetration, 1982.

9M14P2/P2B1 - SACLOS, 3500m range, 600mm penetration, improved speed, 1988.

9M14P3/P2B1 Maljutka 2T - SACLOS, 3500m range, 900mm penetration behind ERA, improved speed, improved resistance to jamming, 1992.

9M14P3F/P3B1F Maljutka 2F - same as above but with thermobaric warhead.

 

a photoshop done by beginners...

It is Yugo 9M14P3, that was actually sold to Peru. But I agree that it was photoshoped in this example.

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Yugo versions are:

9M14M/MB1 - MCLOS, 3000m range, 400mm penetration, 1971.

9M14P/PB1 - SACLOS, 3000m range, 460mm penetration, 1979.

9M14P1/P1B1 - SACLOS, 3500m range, 520mm penetration, 1982.

9M14P2/P2B1 - SACLOS, 3500m range, 600mm penetration, improved speed, 1988.

9M14P3/P2B1 Maljutka 2T - SACLOS, 3500m range, 900mm penetration behind ERA, improved speed, improved resistance to jamming, 1992.

9M14P3F/P3B1F Maljutka 2F - same as above but with thermobaric warhead.

It is Yugo 9M14P3, that was actually sold to Peru. But I agree that it was photoshoped in this example.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Are you sure about the penetration level of the Maljutka 2T ?.....sounds like a lot for an old missile.

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Are you sure about the penetration level of the Maljutka 2T ?.....sounds like a lot for an old missile.

 

New versions of Malutka are fitted with new precision warheads with standoff probe and a precursor charge, so the only thing that decides the penetration level is the missile diameter. It is 125mm for Malutka, which makes 900mm in line with current state of the art.

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It is Yugo 9M14P3, that was actually sold to Peru. But I agree that it was photoshoped in this example.

 

Actually, that was just a rumor or maybe a very small batch for testing purposes (very unlikely), which has been acquired recently are Spike-LR and Kornet-E (24 launchers and 244 missiles each), our Marine Corps uses konkurs.

 

about malyutka, we have MCLOS missiles from the former Soviet Union and China.

 

cheers.

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You never know. Afghans are packrats when it comes to weapons and munitions. If it had been sealed in its case all these years, it could be old Russian stock.

 

But most likely its from a purchase order for the ANA, courtesy of the US tax payer. Lots of WARPAC equipment has been bought or donated for the Afghans. From whom? Probably Eastern Europe.

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Eh, buraz?

Nevermind, it's just beyond me why anybody would want to put a flower pot together with ATGMs on major military exhibition, and I was terrified with the possibility that they actually did it twice.. fortunately, that pic is from Partner 07.

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And here it goes off during a live firing exercise from BMP-1, in Polish 10th Armored Cavalary Brigade (the only unit equipped with Leopard 2A4 tanks). From December 2008.

 

I think this image is from the same event:

 

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Indeed, from the same.

As far as HJ-73 is concerned, this might be a cost-effective calculation. It is not a modern ATGM, not a good tank killer, but it is in a mass, and can perform infantry support role. Perhaps Chinese prefer a wall of Malyutkas to one Spike- or Javelin-like equipped vehicle in a platoon (the latter is definitely not a good solution while fighting a conventional conflict!), and those HJ-73 might be even cheaper if purchased in so high numbers, plus the production technology (seems to be) damn simple, so it is cheap. And with a tandem warhead IMO it can be dangerous opponent to all tanks except for those equipped either with most modern composite armor (Leclerc, Leopard-2A5/A6, M1A2 and later) or second-generation ERA.

Better tandem-warhead Malutka than nothing, especially if you don't think of fighting US Army or Bundeswehr :)

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Isn't it amazing that the PLA continues to use the HJ-73, even on its newest AFV's?

 

Why? Think of it as PG-7M or Carl Gustaf of the ATGM world. Sure, there are newer, more effective (and much more expensive) toys, but most of times in combat you are also likely to make do with this cheap, simple thing. After all if you go head-to-head with tanks you are most likely done for regardless of your shiny toys and even with the shiny toys you would rather be firing them from flanks or such...

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