Jim Warford Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Here are a few pics to get things started... Serbian Defense Exhibition - 2007Shot at 2009-07-20 PeruShot at 2009-07-20 Chinese HJ-73 SeriesShot at 2009-07-20 HezbollahShot at 2009-07-20
Corinthian Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Judging from the pix, they are still being produced (!) Not bad I guess for an ATGM. Other than enhancing penetration (which I reckon was part of the upgrade), did they upgrade the guidance package as well? Up to what extent?
Ssnake Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Other than enhancing penetration (which I reckon was part of the upgrade), did they upgrade the guidance package as well? Up to what extent?Sagger D is with SACLOS guidance, no longer MCLOS.
bojan Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Yugo versions are:9M14M/MB1 - MCLOS, 3000m range, 400mm penetration, 1971.9M14P/PB1 - SACLOS, 3000m range, 460mm penetration, 1979.9M14P1/P1B1 - SACLOS, 3500m range, 520mm penetration, 1982.9M14P2/P2B1 - SACLOS, 3500m range, 600mm penetration, improved speed, 1988.9M14P3/P2B1 Maljutka 2T - SACLOS, 3500m range, 900mm penetration behind ERA, improved speed, improved resistance to jamming, 1992.9M14P3F/P3B1F Maljutka 2F - same as above but with thermobaric warhead. a photoshop done by beginners...It is Yugo 9M14P3, that was actually sold to Peru. But I agree that it was photoshoped in this example.
Husar Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Yugo versions are:9M14M/MB1 - MCLOS, 3000m range, 400mm penetration, 1971.9M14P/PB1 - SACLOS, 3000m range, 460mm penetration, 1979.9M14P1/P1B1 - SACLOS, 3500m range, 520mm penetration, 1982.9M14P2/P2B1 - SACLOS, 3500m range, 600mm penetration, improved speed, 1988.9M14P3/P2B1 Maljutka 2T - SACLOS, 3500m range, 900mm penetration behind ERA, improved speed, improved resistance to jamming, 1992.9M14P3F/P3B1F Maljutka 2F - same as above but with thermobaric warhead.It is Yugo 9M14P3, that was actually sold to Peru. But I agree that it was photoshoped in this example. Thanks for the info. Are you sure about the penetration level of the Maljutka 2T ?.....sounds like a lot for an old missile.
Djuice Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Maljutka 2T is fitted with a Milan 2T Tandem warhead.
Vasiliy Fofanov Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Are you sure about the penetration level of the Maljutka 2T ?.....sounds like a lot for an old missile. New versions of Malutka are fitted with new precision warheads with standoff probe and a precursor charge, so the only thing that decides the penetration level is the missile diameter. It is 125mm for Malutka, which makes 900mm in line with current state of the art.
charliebravo Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 It is Yugo 9M14P3, that was actually sold to Peru. But I agree that it was photoshoped in this example. Actually, that was just a rumor or maybe a very small batch for testing purposes (very unlikely), which has been acquired recently are Spike-LR and Kornet-E (24 launchers and 244 missiles each), our Marine Corps uses konkurs. about malyutka, we have MCLOS missiles from the former Soviet Union and China. cheers.
Rod Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Are there any upgrades to to the Sagger to have it laser-guided?
m4a1 Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 And here it goes off during a live firing exercise from BMP-1, in Polish 10th Armored Cavalary Brigade (the only unit equipped with Leopard 2A4 tanks). From December 2008.
Jim Warford Posted July 22, 2009 Author Posted July 22, 2009 Two more pics...the Iranian I-RAAD-T Sagger upgrade and a selection from Serbia... Shot at 2009-07-21 Shot with FinePix S5600 at 2009-07-21
Vasiliy Fofanov Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Afghanistan... Jim, what are the circumstances of this shot? Whose missiles are these? Definitely not from old Soviet Army stock...
Guest JamesG123 Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 You never know. Afghans are packrats when it comes to weapons and munitions. If it had been sealed in its case all these years, it could be old Russian stock. But most likely its from a purchase order for the ANA, courtesy of the US tax payer. Lots of WARPAC equipment has been bought or donated for the Afghans. From whom? Probably Eastern Europe.
kNiks Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Two more pics...the Iranian I-RAAD-T Sagger upgrade and a selection from Serbia... Shot at 2009-07-21 Shot with FinePix S5600 at 2009-07-21Can't believe they brought that plant again.
m4a1 Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 What about Malutka's reliability after being long in stock? I've heard that with Fagot it doesn't look good (and this may be the reason why second generation Soviet missiles weren't purchased).
Typhoid Maxx Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Can't believe they brought that plant again. Eh, buraz?
Typhoid Maxx Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 The Serb picture - I get the Bumbar (Eryx clone), Maljutka/Sagger (with MILAN/DRUG warhead), and Strsljen (Apilas improvement) but whats the short weird thing in the corner?
Typhoid Maxx Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 With the long standoff - looks like a midget with an 18".
kNiks Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Eh, buraz?Nevermind, it's just beyond me why anybody would want to put a flower pot together with ATGMs on major military exhibition, and I was terrified with the possibility that they actually did it twice.. fortunately, that pic is from Partner 07.
geronimo Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 And here it goes off during a live firing exercise from BMP-1, in Polish 10th Armored Cavalary Brigade (the only unit equipped with Leopard 2A4 tanks). From December 2008. I think this image is from the same event:
geronimo Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Chinese HJ-73 Series Isn't it amazing that the PLA continues to use the HJ-73, even on its newest AFV's?
m4a1 Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Indeed, from the same.As far as HJ-73 is concerned, this might be a cost-effective calculation. It is not a modern ATGM, not a good tank killer, but it is in a mass, and can perform infantry support role. Perhaps Chinese prefer a wall of Malyutkas to one Spike- or Javelin-like equipped vehicle in a platoon (the latter is definitely not a good solution while fighting a conventional conflict!), and those HJ-73 might be even cheaper if purchased in so high numbers, plus the production technology (seems to be) damn simple, so it is cheap. And with a tandem warhead IMO it can be dangerous opponent to all tanks except for those equipped either with most modern composite armor (Leclerc, Leopard-2A5/A6, M1A2 and later) or second-generation ERA.Better tandem-warhead Malutka than nothing, especially if you don't think of fighting US Army or Bundeswehr
Marek Tucan Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Isn't it amazing that the PLA continues to use the HJ-73, even on its newest AFV's? Why? Think of it as PG-7M or Carl Gustaf of the ATGM world. Sure, there are newer, more effective (and much more expensive) toys, but most of times in combat you are also likely to make do with this cheap, simple thing. After all if you go head-to-head with tanks you are most likely done for regardless of your shiny toys and even with the shiny toys you would rather be firing them from flanks or such...
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