More new camo uniforms?

[baboon6]

Would you per chance be able to post some of said pics? I'd love to see them!

-K

 

A good gallery here, showing troops in both the desert and the green zone, also at least one pic of the two uniforms together:

 

http://www.defence.gov.au/opex/global/opsl...0728a/index.htm

 

This one shows Australian soldiers in denser bush in the green zone:

 

http://www.defence.gov.au/opex/global/opsl.../0615/index.htm

Edited September 15, 2009 by baboon6

[SCFalken]

 

The Italian pattern is pretty good (much better than UCP-D).

 

Falken

[shep854]

An article and blog from Mil.com:

http://www.military.com/news/article/army-...html?ESRC=eb.nl

 

and:

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/005020.html "Revealed: The Army's New Cammo"

 

Articles not quoted to save bandwidth.

[Dawes]

Anyone got an idea as to what this Syrian pattern looks like? (Syria has used multiple patterns in the past)

 

 

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/09/army...o_test_091509w/

 

 

 

Never mind: http://soldiersystems.net/2009/09/17/syrian-camo/

Edited September 17, 2009 by Dawes

[shep854]

From all I've read, I can't help but conclude that the current UCP was selected by admin warriors, because it looked cool in the office. As repeatedly mentioned, an effective field pattern is "ugly" (read: 'un-cool' in an admin setting).

[Special-K]

A good gallery here, showing troops in both the desert and the green zone, also at least one pic of the two uniforms together:

 

http://www.defence.gov.au/opex/global/opsl...0728a/index.htm

 

This one shows Australian soldiers in denser bush in the green zone:

 

http://www.defence.gov.au/opex/global/opsl.../0615/index.htm

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

-K

[Typhoid Maxx]

James: Copy that. I found the claim odd and thought it was Sparky-esque BS because AFAIK thermal imagers can "see" because of the heat emanating from the subject, regardless of camo pattern. I'd understand if it were image intensifiers, but thermal and IR....

Holy smokes, that is effective!

 

That aint nothing - I buy mil surplus for a lot of my camping/fishing/hunting/getting away from married life stuff. Its cheap...and its cool.

 

Check out East German raindrop camo; best urban camo pattern bar NONE, and if you don't agree...I extend my tongue in you derection

[Typhoid Maxx]

https://www.elliottmilitary.co.uk/catalog/p...150c463e40dcb3a

 

Gives you and idea. Also brilliant in canopy Europe style forests.

 

Overall favorite colour? Smoke Green, because OD is draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaab.

 

Coyote brown is vomit ugly...but probably the best single colour for camo, and the one I'd pick (I said smoke green was my favorite, NOT however the one I think is most effective) if I had to pick a single colour, that would be the one.

 

Universal in forest, field, rubble.

 

Add black to break up the colour (which is the biggest failing in my book of US ACU) and you've the start of a decent camo get up (and I've seen enough OD to OD, but throw that in to the mix and you could stop right there).

[SCFalken]

Another view of the Italian pattern:

 

 

 

Falken

[shep854]

It looks like Congress is going even further: http://soldiersystems.net/2009/07/30/congr...combat-uniform/

"Congress Proposes Common Ground Combat Uniform"

 

I came across this link on M4carbine.net. This is the Powerpoint presentation where the urban pattern was described as coming in dead last during field evaluations (see slide # 26), before being adopted anyway:

 

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2004issc/wednesday/dugas.ppt

Edited September 19, 2009 by shep854

[Corinthian]

That aint nothing - I buy mil surplus for a lot of my camping/fishing/hunting/getting away from married life stuff. Its cheap...and its cool.

 

Check out East German raindrop camo; best urban camo pattern bar NONE, and if you don't agree...I extend my tongue in you derection

 

Best urban camo would be going around in jeans and a shirt with a jacket. Look like a civvie.

[Archie Pellagio]

Best urban camo would be going around in jeans and a shirt with a jacket. Look like a civvie.

 

It's worked for the Bad Guys for years from Ireland to Iraq...

[shep854]

Best urban camo would be going around in jeans and a shirt with a jacket. Look like a civvie.

 

Careful, the lawyers will start claiming that as a uniform, hence BGs so attired should be treated as POWs--

Wataminit---you ARE a lawyer; too late...

[Typhoid Maxx]

Best urban camo would be going around in jeans and a shirt with a jacket. Look like a civvie.

 

Best camo is not being there, followed by being BEHIND you.

Edited September 19, 2009 by Maxx

[Typhoid Maxx]

It's worked for the Bad Guys for years from Ireland to Iraq...

 

Theres an itty bitty problem with ALL of us dressing up in civvies; can you guess what that is?

 

BTW: Hows tricks down there, you still alive?

Edited September 19, 2009 by Maxx

[Corinthian]

Careful, the lawyers will start claiming that as a uniform, hence BGs so attired should be treated as POWs--

Wataminit---you ARE a lawyer; too late...

 

Nah, the lawyers already had defined constitutes as a uniform (IIRC it's somewhere in the UN treaty on the laws of war, to distinguish soldiers from mercenaries).

[George Newbill]

You lost me there, many Mercenaries do wear uniforms you are going to explain why you would want to distinguish between Soldiers and Mercs to what end?

[shep854]

Your Honor, I believe Counsel meant "guerillas" rather than "mercenaries".

[thekirk]

I believe that all you need for something to constitute a "uniform" is for it to be uniformly agreed on as a symbolic bit of clothing or something else worn by all members of your force.

 

For example, if you like, all your force needs to be considered "in uniform" might well be a frilly pink armband on all members. So long as you wear that while under arms, and enforce it, you're considered to be "in uniform" for purposes of the Conventions.

[Archie Pellagio]

A good example is immediate post-Saddam Iraq police were to wear white shirts.

 

Other examples include arm-bands or flags denoting membership to a particular group.

[George Newbill]

Got it, you mean: "Insignia to identify Combatants vs Non-combatants for the purposes of the Geneva Conventions."

 

You really lost me at the Soldier vs Mercenary thing. You do realize that there are as many Mercenaries as Soldiers in the Iraq & Afghanistan war zones, right?

 

I believe the word uniform itself is obsolete as there are so many variations today for example I noted at least 5000 variations in the US Army uniform in Iraq. Uniformity, not even close, more like variations on a theme.

 

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On a separate note I picked up a German WWII sniper's smock in "Oak A" yesterday. Good stuff, as a pattern I think it is great. Wife calls it "Alien Barf" without realizing it I now have the pants, helmet cover and now the top in this pattern. The Germans for some reason did not like it and printed a dark chocolate pattern over "Oak A" to produce "Plane Tree" pattern, which is not too bad either. It was brown-OakA-brown-OakA-brown.

 

Did you guys see the "Syrian" pattern that has an uncanny resemblance to the German WWII "Stumpf" (marsh) pattern.

Edited September 20, 2009 by George Newbill

[SCFalken]

 

Falken

[Typhoid Maxx]

Now THAT is a nice uniform.

[Argus]

I always thought it funny that when they were developing Auscam, the equal best 'camo pattern' in all the trials was just the issue JG's (jungle greens) faded though normal wash and wear. The problem was supposed to be that the 'fading' was impossible to replicate artificially, to which some suggest that it just wasn't as cool as proper camo, however if 'cool' was really a factor it begs the question - why Auscam?

 

That 3D cloth idea is interesting, but weight and snag factor seem to be against it IMHO.

 

shane

[Archie Pellagio]

I always thought it funny that when they were developing Auscam, the equal best 'camo pattern' in all the trials was just the issue JG's (jungle greens) faded though normal wash and wear. The problem was supposed to be that the 'fading' was impossible to replicate artificially, to which some suggest that it just wasn't as cool as proper camo, however if 'cool' was really a factor it begs the question - why Auscam?

 

That 3D cloth idea is interesting, but weight and snag factor seem to be against it IMHO.

 

shane

 

Wallaby Bob might know more details, but there was a pattern issued only in smock and poncho form from memory which was basically JG with large splotches of either very dark green or possibly black (You can see one or two guys briefly wear it in 'The Odd Angry Shot') which was an excellent pattern for jungle operations, you can still find a few of the raincoats in PNG occasionally with old fellas.

 

Falken, who is that picture of? I'm assuming it isn't American troops from the rifles?