More new camo uniforms?

[Archie Pellagio]

TN POST OF 2009!!!

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Ivanhoe]

I'm beginning to wonder if that guy is a real human being, or just a self-replicating meme spreading itself across the Internet. He/it appears to have infected at least 1% of the IPv4 address space already. Somebody needs to monitor this...

[chino]

IMO digital camo helps disrupt the pattern of the disruptive pattern. But the most important thing is still the shades of colour. Get that wrong and the cam being a digitized pattern won't help.

 

Just as I pointed out in my earlier post where the old SAF woodland is compared to the new digital pattern. The only thing wrong with the woodland was that the colour shades seemed a bit too dark compared to the new and lighter shade digital shade. However, had they chosen a darker part of the forest to take those shots, the result may not be so obvious.

[Archie Pellagio]

IMO digital camo helps disrupt the pattern of the disruptive pattern. But the most important thing is still the shades of colour. Get that wrong and the cam being a digitized pattern won't help.

 

 

The big difference isn't anything so much to do with being digital or not, it is whether there is a true macro pattern at work with the digital design, or it is simply a funky looking pattern made up of lots of little squares so that third world dictators can make their Personal Guard look all tacticool. The chinese pattern is a good example of the latter.

[R011]

it is simply a funky looking pattern made up of lots of little squares so that third world dictators can make their Personal Guard look all tacticool.

Isn't increasing the uniform's LCF (Look Cool Factor} the primary purpose of cam anyway?

[George Newbill]

The fact of the matter is that cammo clothing is very useful in the field, now if you notice the look-cool factor seems to be more important than the basic military needs.

 

The US Army's ACUPAT is a prime example of this, it looks cool but it ain't worth a flip. Thus confirming that the look-cool is by far the main consideration in it's adoption. This makes you wonder if the bozos at the Pentagon aren't Al Quiada plants.

 

The lightly dyed brown ACUPAT on this page is mind-blowing, just that really minor change makes the ACUPAT a whole lot better.

[Dawes]

Regarding the USAF's current abortion of a uniform, it was openly stated from the beginning that the primary purpose of the new pattern was "distinctiveness" and not necessarily any superior concealment attributes. Well, I guess they got their wish. And one gets the impression that someone saw the old John Wayne movie "The Green Berets" and thought "Tiger Stripe - how cool. Let's go with that."

[lastdingo]

A new pattern alone is still not satisfactory for dismounted combat troops. We can have much better basic camo:

http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com/20...camouflage.html

 

You need to get the colours right and use vegetation as supplemental camo often, of course.

[Coldsteel]

At least you guys don't have reflective safety tape on your navy cams...

 

 

Complete with tactical sombrero...

And just some other 'Naval camouflage' patterns from around the world...

 

http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/attach...mp;d=1247476690

 

and from a country who's coastline can be measured in paces and is mostly desert...

Vimes: "And so into this land of sand-coloured dust and sand-coloured rocks and sand-coloured sand you, Willikins, will march with your expertise in cutlery and your red and white uniform?"

 

Willikins: "With the gold frogging, sir. Yes sir, if the need arises."

 

Vimes: "You don't see anything wrong with this picture?"

 

 

 

Still at least the "Naval" Auscam might hide the, um how can I put this delicately, the odd stain here and there.

[shep854]

"Still at least the "Naval" Auscam might hide the, um how can I put this delicately, the odd stain here and there."--Coldsteel

 

That is a factor in the new uniforms for USN and USAF. Machinery does tend to leak stain-making stuff, after all.

[Coldsteel]

"Still at least the "Naval" Auscam might hide the, um how can I put this delicately, the odd stain here and there."--Coldsteel

 

That is a factor in the new uniforms for USN and USAF. Machinery does tend to leak stain-making stuff, after all.

 

True, but it's not just the machinery that I was necessarily thinking of. "Join the Royal Australian Navy, there's seamen everywhere".

[shep854]

True, but it's not just the machinery that I was necessarily thinking of. "Join the Royal Australian Navy, there's seamen everywhere".

 

 

I. Am. Not. Going. There.

 

Game, set, match to Coldsteel.

[Coldsteel]

I'm sorry, I really am. But in my defence ever since that little gambling incident hit the news I can't watch the likes of

on TV without that line being substituted for their current recruitment slogan. It's terrible, but it makes me laugh, I thought that perhaps if I shared it that it might go away.

 

Michael

[shep854]

I'm sorry, I really am. But in my defence ever since that little gambling incident hit the news I can't watch the likes of

on TV without that line being substituted for their current recruitment slogan. It's terrible, but it makes me laugh, I thought that perhaps if I shared it that it might go away.

 

Michael

 

That's OK; as a former Marine, I'm quite familiar with "Seamen" jokes.

[SCFalken]

 

 

Falken

[Archie Pellagio]

Falken

 

Just think, you might've had to wear the pink-bunny suit instead...

[Special-K]

I did another set of ACU's with some green and brown, and I'll be trying another set maybe later in the week. I'll be sure to post pics when I do.

 

 

In other news: Canadian Military eyes makeover for fatigues

 

OTTAWA — Canadian soldiers could be getting new duds.

 

The Defence Department is seeking a firm to redesign the digitized camouflage pattern splayed over the combat fatigues worn by Canadian troops.

 

The department says the makeover is necessary to give soldiers deployed to war zones like Afghanistan an added edge in the field.

 

“As the Canadian Forces undertake new missions in new environments there continues to be an ongoing assessment of techniques for improved camouflage and concealment so as to increase the advantage of the Canadian soldier,” says a request for proposals issued Tuesday.

 

Canadian troops wear a computer-generated pixilated pattern, called the Canadian disruptive pattern, that comes in deep-green and desert colours.

 

The digitized pattern helps them avoid being spotted with night-vision goggles.

 

Soldiers started wearing the light green, dark green, brown and black pattern, called temperate woodland, in 1997-98, first on their helmets and later on the rest of their dress.

 

The Canadian military was criticized for sending soldiers to Afghanistan in dark green fatigues in 2002 as part of the U.S.-led Operation Enduring Freedom.

 

The subsequent sand-coloured pattern, called arid regions and designed for desert warfare, came along in 2003.

 

The military outfitted soldiers with separate sets of green and desert-brown uniforms after the first troops deployed to Kandahar in 2002 found that, counter to the critics’ assertions, green worked best in many of Afghanistan’s operational environments.

 

The Defence Department tender says the military again needs to rethink the way it develops and evaluates camouflage patterns.

 

“Current tools in use by the Canadian military for the development and evaluation of camouflage effectiveness have only been applied and validated for specific conditions and in some cases these tools produce confounding results,” the document says.

 

“There is a need to review the underlying principles and contributing factors that affect camouflage effectiveness ... and integrate this knowledge to design cost-effective methods, including software applications, which can be used to synthesize new camouflage patterns that are ‘optimized’ for a particular environment.”

 

The winning firm must deliver a report and a “gallery of tools“ to the Defence Department by March 2012. The contract is worth up to $84,998.

 

The department did not return a call for comment.

 

Annabel Canada Inc. has printed millions of metres of the Canadian disruptive pattern fabric since 2000 at its factory in Drummondville, Que. No one from the company was available for an interview.

 

 

 

 

I found this on another board. I don't have an original link or a better source, but I'm not sure what the utility of this would be. From everything I've heard, CADPAT is one of the best patterns available - both in the green temperate and the tan arid variety.

 

 

 

-K

[Dawes]

Looks like it's UCP-Delta vs Multicam in the new trials:

 

http://www.armytimes.com/

[Special-K]

Here's a link with a different pic.

 

 

FUGLY. And I don't think it will work much better. I really think they should be doing research on whatever the fvck they are putting in the water at Natic, because they just have to be on some scary drugs.

 

 

http://www.soldiersystems.net/

 

 

 

 

-K

[Corinthian]

Just think, you might've had to wear the pink-bunny suit instead...

 

The pink bunny suit has the tendency to make the enemy climb out of his cover/concealed position to get a good view while saying "WTF?" in his language, thus giving the person in the bunny suit precious time to shoot and kill the now unprotected enemy. Dancing to the tune of Barney's "I love you" song by the soldier in the bunny suit has been proven to make whole enemy units to cease firing in wonderment, exposing them to BunFor's artillery and CAS.

[shep854]

Here's a link with a different pic.

FUGLY. And I don't think it will work much better. I really think they should be doing research on whatever the fvck they are putting in the water at Natic, because they just have to be on some scary drugs.

http://www.soldiersystems.net/

-K

 

I read where MARPAT was unfavorably compared to cat puke. While the UCP-Delta will be a much less effective color in the office-combat environment, it should do much better in the real field.

 

Also, from a photo posted in the ".50cal..." thead in WOTT, the Chadian Army seems to have dibs on Multicam; does the US Army want to come in behind them?

[Archie Pellagio]

In Afghanistan many units are swapping the desert pattern DPCU for the traditional bush lightgreen uniform, and from photo's it seems to be one of the best out there.

 

And how does adding some turd-brown improve the problems of ACU?

It looks like someone just took a regular ACU and shat all over it.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Luke_Yaxley

[baboon6]

I read where MARPAT was unfavorably compared to cat puke. While the UCP-Delta will be a much less effective color in the office-combat environment, it should do much better in the real field.

 

Also, from a photo posted in the ".50cal..." thead in WOTT, the Chadian Army seems to have dibs on Multicam; does the US Army want to come in behind them?

 

Multi-cam is used by certain US and UK special operations forces too...

 

Edited September 15, 2009 by baboon6

[George Newbill]

Well if I had my druthers, MultiCam is my favorite, I have no kidding 20 different cammo patterns in my closet and when I play paintball, I wear MultiCam.

[Special-K]

In Afghanistan many units are swapping the desert pattern DPCU for the traditional bush lightgreen uniform, and from photo's it seems to be one of the best out there.

 

And how does adding some turd-brown improve the problems of ACU?

It looks like someone just took a regular ACU and shat all over it.

 

 

 

Would you per chance be able to post some of said pics? I'd love to see them!

 

 

 

 

-K