Phil Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 If you look carefully at the second photo, you can just make out an American soldier
Lampshade111 Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) In the areas which are pretty much all desert, why not just issue the three-color DCU? Edited June 19, 2009 by Lampshade111
shep854 Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 In the areas which are pretty much all desert, why not just issue the three-color DCU? Doggone it, Lampshade, there you go again--asking a reasonable, sensible question! You're in the Army, remember?
FlyingCanOpener Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 We switched to the UDP (Universal Disruptive Pattern aka ACUPAT) to streamline our logistics, but it seems REALLY shortsighted to completely replace every uniform, piece of armor, and vest every 10 years when we invent the latest whizbang camo pattern. If everything is OD green, you only need to replace the camo smocks. Much cheaper in the long-term IMO. Moisture-wicking = man-made materials = melts onto the skin when in contact with flames.
Nailcreek Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 While slightly off track, where can a civvie like me buy a set of Multicam via the net. Bowhunting is coming up in September, and I do wish to "look good in the woods" I do have a set of the green MARPAT, and really like the pattern for the early hunt when there are still leaves on the trees.
Noble713 Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) Moisture-wicking = man-made materials = melts onto the skin when in contact with flames. Army to test new moisture-wicking, no-melt T-shirt Re: Buying Multicam Depends on the quality you want. High-quality uniforms are available as Tru-Spec TRUs from USCav.com. SKD tactical makes some nice ones too. Either will set you back ~$150+. Or you can buy from a number of Asian airsoft shops such as ebairsoft.com.Those are about $100, but if you are anything over 5'10"/150lbs. their tiny uniforms probably won't fit you. Edited June 20, 2009 by Noble713
nigelfe Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 nigelfe your ignorance is showing again... Arrse is a British Army forum. I was active Canadian Army during all the testing. We were given a video show on the new uniforms, the history of how it was developed by Defense Research, what was the process behind developing the CAMPAD Green that most of us use, and it was that process that was used to develop our Tan uniform presently used in the Sandbox BTW the develpment of that pattern was part of the reason we wore green when first deployed. Until last year, I was working with one of the Defense Research Scientists that worked on the process... she was very proud of the work she did. So sunshine, I stated my background.... whats your claim to fame other than some name and rumours on a foriegn military forum??BTW FalkenAnd yes the igloos do have Satfeeds... its cable thats a bitch when the ice flows move So there was a well conducted coverup to save a embarassment.
George Newbill Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) My Multicams are by "Propper" and are pretty good, they do MilSpec (Millitary Specification) Uniforms. My CadPat top is a rip-off and rare as they (Canucks) like the USMC try to control their pattern, my daughter's MarPats came through Official channels, I traded a Marine some cool Army only TA-50 for them. I have a lot of MarPat paintball gear, I made it myself out of fake MarPat material that I bought at a sewing store. For fun I made a bunch of body armor out of many different cloth patterns from mild to wild, let's see which the teens want to wear. Edited June 20, 2009 by George Newbill
Manic Moran Posted June 20, 2009 Posted June 20, 2009 If you look carefully at the second photo, you can just make out an American soldier Under all the gear. I never did get those photographs. Just how often is a soldier going to be trying to conceal himself by standing up out in the open when there's all sorts of foilage around him? They do have fire resitant ACU's (FRACU's), they are issued to deploying peoples. I just got mine last week with my 2nd RFI. I havnt worn them, just packed them and sent them on their way. We also got the IOTV to replace our IBA's. So far not a big fan of that either, cant carry anything on it and wayyy too much armor. Did 15 mile ruck march in it and my shoulders were killing me Wore my FRACUs (Sounds like a curse from Battlestar Galactica) for the first time this week. They seem a little heavier and stiffer than regular ACUs. I have to say, I'm not sure what the actual improvement is of IOTV over IBA, but they're a bastard to put on in a hurry, and if you want to cool down, you can't just open them up without taking them off. NTM
George Newbill Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 Did the paintball today, the Multicam worked okay at concealing me in the woods at a distance where I could see them but they could not see me, maybe 7 meters (yards), The kids were in a mix of uniforms from BDUs & MarPats to solid medium green. The MarPat was effectively mottled brown and the solid green was just about as good. ACUs would have been suicide.
nigelfe Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 The whole cam thing is very difficult. What works depends on the criteria you're using. The effects of various light conditions in similar terrain can also have significant effect, never mind that at a few hundred metres cam looses its effect on the eye. Then there is the matter that people learn to pick out a person even when they are in cam dress very suitable for the surroundings, their unconcious mental processing gets better at it as they get more familiar with the target type. It's also questionable if cam patterns of the same general types are significantly different in effect. For example a recent (Feb this year) course photo of Aust, Cdn, Brit & German students on a course in Finland, snow on the ground forest background, two rows, 16 standing and 6 kneeling in front, its actually quite difficult to pick the nationalities by their uniforms because they are all so similar. It also seems that some nations regard cam patterns as a form of national brand logo that gets refreshed from time to time but not dramatically changed.
Archie Pellagio Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 It also seems that some nations regard cam patterns as a form of national brand logo that gets refreshed from time to time but not dramatically changed. That is also a very big consideration, a great example is Australian DPCU and the desert and new naval variants, both of which far from ideal (the navy one is ridiculous to the point of having reflective safety tape) because they are recognised as part of the Australian 'image', taking the same pattern which originally is extremely effective and altering the colours in a manner that is largely ineffective for camouflage purposes.
George Newbill Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 IFF Identification Friend/Foe with nearly identical cammie patterns is silly, hell bright Red might save a few lives.
shep854 Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 IFF Identification Friend/Foe with nearly identical cammie patterns is silly, hell bright Red might save a few lives. As mentioned above, after a few days/weeks, friendly and enemy mud look the same as well. Until we fight the Bugs or the Posleen, IFF will be a problem.
Ariete! Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 (edited) Allow me a MArtha Stewart / gay-enough moment here. OMFG, that is thw ugliest sofa in the WORLD!! Very funny pic though.... :lol: Stealthy soljurs in da hood!! Edited June 21, 2009 by Ariete!
T19 Posted June 22, 2009 Posted June 22, 2009 So there was a well conducted coverup to save a embarassment.You know, you do suffer from Cranial Rectal inversion. Are you trying to be an ass or just a troll. Because either way, the door is always open to have sex and travel
nigelfe Posted June 22, 2009 Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) You know, you do suffer from Cranial Rectal inversion. Are you trying to be an ass or just a troll. Because either way, the door is always open to have sex and travel Ah its always good to see offensive action being taken when sprung, just like a politician caught with trousers around ankles. Edited June 22, 2009 by nigelfe
nigelfe Posted June 22, 2009 Posted June 22, 2009 That is also a very big consideration, a great example is Australian DPCU and the desert and new naval variants, both of which far from ideal (the navy one is ridiculous to the point of having reflective safety tape) because they are recognised as part of the Australian 'image', taking the same pattern which originally is extremely effective and altering the colours in a manner that is largely ineffective for camouflage purposes. I thought the RAN was getting pretty desperate when they revealed their 'can't see me in the sea suit'. But agree with the earlier post pointing out that the army woodland pattern is excellant in Australian conditions. On the consitent branding front the UK are notable (offenders?) their woodland pattern has lineage back to 1942 or whenever the first para smocks were issued. They've tweaked the pattern slightly and seem to have various options on the exact shades of the established colours, but its basically the same, and the new PECOC pattern seems likely to be generally similar (it seems their trials showed digital cam didn't offer any advantage)
T19 Posted June 22, 2009 Posted June 22, 2009 Ah its always good to see offensive action being taken when sprung, just like a politician caught with trousers around ankles. No its calling you out for the twit that you are. You post some crap you heard on an internet forum. I called you. I have actual experiance with this. your response is to continue to act like a troll. I put my cards on the table, all you have done is act like the internet troll you are. If anyone has been caught as a poser it is you
George Newbill Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 Can you guys cut it out and get back to the subject of Uniforms?
seahawk Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 I thought the RAN was getting pretty desperate when they revealed their 'can't see me in the sea suit'. But agree with the earlier post pointing out that the army woodland pattern is excellant in Australian conditions. On the other hand it looks military and should hide a few dirt spots pretty well.
DB Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 Moisture-wicking = man-made materials = melts onto the skin when in contact with flames.Um. Nomex isn't exactly a natural fibre. the knitted undergarments I use when racing seem to wick sweat reasonably well - certainly no worse than cotton.
Chris Gould Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 I thought the original digital pattern was the Desert Night Camo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Camouflage_Desert Quote : It was designed to aid soldiers in concealment from older generation enemy night vision devices (NVDs).
George Newbill Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) The Desert Storm Night Cammies were actually a simple grid square with a very few extra dots added as an after thought, but more or less a simple horozontal and vertical grid. US third Generation night vision is more a hex pattern and these Nite Cammies would be totally ineffective against our own NVGs. Does anyone know if Soviet or any one else's NVGs are a grid? Edited June 23, 2009 by George Newbill
Dawes Posted June 24, 2009 Author Posted June 24, 2009 Some people regard the Russian KLMK pattern from the 1960's as the original digital pattern.
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