More new camo uniforms?

[capt_starlight]

Dunno, but I have definitely, 110% seen it cut to form a poncho/raincoat thing.

Perhaps some civvy outfit copying the pattern or the same way you got your trousers I don't know, but it definitely exists.

 

Found a pic on the interweb too:

 

 

Link does not want to "play".

 

Even "kamoflage.net" only points to the two part jacket plus trousers.....

[Argus]

Link does not want to "play".

 

Even "kamoflage.net" only points to the two part jacket plus trousers.....

 

Just chased the links and noticed this

 

http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00108.php

 

4th para down 'this raincoat'

 

sorry mate

 

shane

[Guest aevans]

You know, field uniforms get quickly covered with the local mud or dust, and camouflage pattern makes no difference. A good neutral color, executed in a low reflectivity fabric, is good enough.

Edited September 29, 2009 by aevans

[mobryan]

You know, field uniforms get quickly covered with the local mud or dust, and camouflage pattern makes no difference. A good neutral color, executed in a low reflectivity fabric, is good enough.

 

Butternut.

 

A co-worker of mine is the local coyote hunting diety, and he ragged on me incessently for my "camoflage", which does nifty double duty as my regular street wear, ie: light grey T-shirt or sweatshirt and faded brown Carhart pants. He raised hell about how I needed to get serious and buy some proper clothing, or I never have sucess out here. That went on for a couple years, until last years big coyote tournement when he walked past my tumbleweed blind @ 20'. He damn near had a heart attack when I accused him of intentionally blowing my set-up, he had no idea anybody was even close to him. :D No more lip about buying camo, at all.

 

A light green, like the old Soviet field green would be a nice compliment to a basic butternut uniform, but If I had to choose one, it would be the butternut, too many places around the world where the only green is compliments of the U.S. military.

 

 

Matt

[Paul in Qatar]

Kamouflage.net?

 

I thought I had strange interests.

[George Newbill]

The US Army found Medium Green to be great in a whole buncha places from Vietnamese jungle to Europe if I had to second guess them I'd go with a Medium Brown to match just about any where. Coyote Brown and Butternut would both one shade too dark.

[mobryan]

The US Army found Medium Green to be great in a whole buncha places from Vietnamese jungle to Europe if I had to second guess them I'd go with a Medium Brown to match just about any where. Coyote Brown and Butternut would both one shade too dark.

 

The butternut I had in mind was a slightly yellow medium tan, though some quick reseach is telling me that what they are calling butternut now is quite a bit darker then I had in mind. I guess I fouled that one up.

 

 

Matt

[George Newbill]

It is the MEDIUM part that is important not so much the color, brown, green, grey, they all work.

 

The reason I like MultiCam is that at a distance it becomes medium green and up close it is hard to see a pattern at all.

[Typhoid Maxx]

A tiger is all orange and black.

 

Guess nobody told it that heavily contrasting colours with black to break up the image was a losing bet.

 

Stupid tigers.

Edited October 1, 2009 by Maxx

[Typhoid Maxx]

Oh-Kay sooo I'm laying it on a bit thick, but you get my point. Also, I don't know about you - but I don't like to dress lighter than my background in those situations in which -

 

a ) somebody might be looking for me with other than the All Encompassing Love of Jesus Christ in their Hearts

 

b ) a boom stick in their hands, and

 

c ) I might be a light/medium silhouette, against a dark background, letting of little bursts of light.

 

Just a thought.

 

(medium colours bad; high contrast good).

[George Newbill]

Wrongo Moosebreth, Medium colors blend in, contrasts stand out.

 

Think about it.

[Typhoid Maxx]

Wrongo Moosebreth, Medium colors blend in, contrasts stand out.

 

Think about it.

 

Moosebreth? Is that a place name? Sounds like a native American reservation in Minnesota. Am I supposed to geographical feature now?

 

Is it weight? Is it? It is. It the weight.

 

I hate you.

 

Medium colours can blend in; true. What is more effective is breaking up the picture. You really need to see footage of a tiger against tall grass.

 

Odd angled blacks and the contrasted colours/tones is better. Which is why black is all but useless in anything other than pitch black, gray is so so and black and gray is better across low light (purple/mauve/black would be my choice, but then I'm considered weird even by the standards of my Serbian brethren).

[George Newbill]

I hate you too Maxx.

 

Back to the camouflage, while solid black is really bad as a camo pattern, black stripes either horizontal as in French Tiger Stripe camo pattern or vertical as in a tiger (Big Cat) seem to work quite well at breaking up the form.

[Typhoid Maxx]

I hate you too Maxx.

 

Back to the camouflage, while solid black is really bad as a camo pattern, black stripes either horizontal as in French Tiger Stripe camo pattern or vertical as in a tiger (Big Cat) seem to work quite well at breaking up the form.

 

...um, yeah.

[George Newbill]

But that of course assumes that you need to break up your silhouette in order to hide, blending into the surroundings is a bit better than looking like a disembodied torso floating above the ground.

[Typhoid Maxx]

? ah...your breaking up the image of the person in total. Works better, especially in movement and low light situations.

 

Are you trying to mess with my head here?

Edited October 2, 2009 by Maxx

[George Newbill]

No Maxx, we have a failure to communicate here, the medium colors blend very well at 500 to 200 meters, so well that you can not see a man in broad daylight. You want shape break-up for close in camo say 50 to 10 meters. Multicam has a good compromise of close, middle and long range attributes.

[Special-K]

A tiger is all orange and black.

 

Guess nobody told it that heavily contrasting colours with black to break up the image was a losing bet.

 

Stupid tigers.

 

 

 

I'm not sure if this is a relevant point to make, but tiger camouflage is meant to work against animals. Don't a lot of animals see in black and white instead of color?

 

So would a tiger be any less camouflaged against a black and white seeing animal if he were purple and yellow? Would it be any different if the tiger were OD green and coyote brown?

 

 

 

 

 

-K

[mobryan]

Oh-Kay sooo I'm laying it on a bit thick, but you get my point. Also, I don't know about you - but I don't like to dress lighter than my background in those situations in which -

 

a ) somebody might be looking for me with other than the All Encompassing Love of Jesus Christ in their Hearts

 

b ) a boom stick in their hands, and

 

c ) I might be a light/medium silhouette, against a dark background, letting of little bursts of light.

 

Just a thought.

 

(medium colours bad; high contrast good).

 

IOW, military camoflage doesn't work well outside an East End club. I would suggest, however, that a medium grey would be a perfect base for that application, just let a local "artist" loose with a few spray cans on it, instant Uber-Urban von Graffetti Camo.

 

Once you get outside of a highly specialized application like yours, however, the lighter colors a much more effective. They trick the mind into seeing a much less distinct blob of color, while the darker colors just aid the eye in picking them up.

 

 

Matt

[Archie Pellagio]

Zebra suits for all!

[Ol Paint]

 

Of course, there's always the patchwork method:

 

Douglas

[shep854]

"Dazzle camouflage"--not so much to conceal as confuse; that first pic was sure confusing to me!

 

"Dazzle did not conceal the ship but made it difficult for the enemy to estimate its speed and heading. The idea was to disrupt the visual rangefinders used for naval artillery. Its purpose was confusion rather than concealment.[1] An observer would find it difficult to know exactly whether the stern or the bow is in view; and it would be equally difficult to estimate whether the observed vessel is moving towards or away from the observer's position."--Wikipedia, "Dazzle Camouflage"

[Corinthian]

"Dazzle camouflage"--not so much to conceal as confuse; that first pic was sure confusing to me!

 

"Dazzle did not conceal the ship but made it difficult for the enemy to estimate its speed and heading. The idea was to disrupt the visual rangefinders used for naval artillery. Its purpose was confusion rather than concealment.[1] An observer would find it difficult to know exactly whether the stern or the bow is in view; and it would be equally difficult to estimate whether the observed vessel is moving towards or away from the observer's position."--Wikipedia, "Dazzle Camouflage"

 

Or give headaches to the guy looking thru the 'scope. Then make him puke his guts out. Yipee.

[Phalanx]

I'm not sure if this is a relevant point to make, but tiger camouflage is meant to work against animals. Don't a lot of animals see in black and white instead of color?

 

So would a tiger be any less camouflaged against a black and white seeing animal if he were purple and yellow? Would it be any different if the tiger were OD green and coyote brown?

-K

 

Depends on the animal. Other most primates and, if wikipedia is to be believed, marsupials, are trichromatic (same as humans), most other mammals are dichromatic - they can see in colour, just not to the same degree. Cats and dogs, for example, only really have trouble with seeing shades of red. The only mammals that really see in black and white alone are sea mammals. Apparently birds are actually tetrachromatic or pentachromatic. O.o Anyway, back on topic...

[shep854]

Update from Mil.com: "New Camo Arrives in Afganistan"

http://www.military.com/news/article/new-c...html?ESRC=eb.nl

 

'The Army has revealed which units in Afghanistan received experimental camouflage uniforms designed specifically for Afghanistan's varied terrain.

 

'Col. Bill Cole, the program manager for Soldier individual equipment at Fort Belvoir, Va., told Military.com that the 3rd Squadron of the 61st Cavalry Regiment had been issued the "Universal Camouflage Pattern-Delta" uniforms designed by the Natick Soldier Systems Center in Massachusetts, and that Soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment have been issued MultiCam duds.

 

'This is the first time the affected units have been identified by official sources.

 

'Both battalion-sized units operate in Afghanistan's eastern Kunar province, which features rocky, sub-Alpine terrain and lush green river valleys – an environment that some argue is unsuited for the Army's current universal pattern because it stands out against the more forested backgrounds.'

 

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