The T-62

[Roman Alymov]

Is that really a captured uniform? Several of his colleagues (crewman with the baseball cap, soldier with rifle and helmet in the 1st pic) are wearing similar colours. Wouldn't it be a tad risky to dress up in enemy uniform and / or violate regulations?

Here is the same uniforms on Georgians captured in Poti. Note Rus servicemen escorting them (probably of 45th Reg) is dressed in commercial camouflage most likely bought for his own money, and T-shirt of unknown origin (not standard). Yes wearing enemy uniforms is risky, but wearing warm winter helmet at peak of summer heat is also risky. So probably it was the only option – own uniforms of Rus soldiers were quite often in very bad condition.

http://www.arma2.ru/forums/picture.php?s=46798cae63287d0e459b36f91ea633d0&albumid=117&pictureid=1057

 

Georgians

[KV7]

 

 

Didn't the ministry of the interiour troops use the T-62 until recently? Or still do?

 

As far as I understand Ministry of interior troops were the only users of T-62 in post-Soviet period, and still in use by units stationed in Chechnya – because this tank is not subject to arms limitations, and this forces are not supposed to fight tank vs. tank battles.

 

It is still far superior to APC/ non tank IFV for CS, and most of what you want armored vehicles for (and especially now given small tank fleets and prevalence of effective ATGM) is CS. Tank vs tank warfare is rationally the secondary role IMO.

Edited March 1, 2017 by KV7

[Roman Alymov]

It is still far superior to APC/ non tank IFV for CS, and most of what you want armored vehicles for (and especially now given small tank fleets and prevalence of effective ATGM) is CS. Tank vs tank warfare is rationally the secondary role IMO.

 

Yes, plus lot of space on top to ride at, plus much better ability to crush obstacles, clear roads etc,

[KV7]

 

It is still far superior to APC/ non tank IFV for CS, and most of what you want armored vehicles for (and especially now given small tank fleets and prevalence of effective ATGM) is CS. Tank vs tank warfare is rationally the secondary role IMO.

 

Yes, plus lot of space on top to ride at, plus much better ability to crush obstacles, clear roads etc,

 

And much better protection vs HE and cannon.

Edited March 1, 2017 by KV7

[Dark_Falcon]

Two T-62 pics from Syria:

 

The first is nothing special for what it shows but its a great shot from Oryx:

 

 

The other photo shows the T-62 that was the test vehicle for Syria's Sharab-1 jammer system:

 

[alejandro_]

As far as I understand Ministry of interior troops were the only users of T-62 in post-Soviet period, and still in use by units stationed in Chechnya – because this tank is not subject to arms limitations, and this forces are not supposed to fight tank vs. tank battles.

 

I don't think the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE) Treaty makes any difference on the type of tank. The USSR and Russia did transfer tanks to Naval Infantry and Interior Ministry as these were not included in the treaty. I get the feeling that in the case of the Interior Ministry there was some interdepartment rivalry, as the Armed Forces could have supplied more modern tanks (T-72/80), which were in abundance.

Edited March 2, 2017 by alejandro_

[Roman Alymov]

 

I don't think the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE) Treaty makes any difference on the type of tank. The USSR and Russia did transfer tanks to Naval Infantry and Interior Ministry as these were not included in the treaty. I get the feeling that in the case of the Interior Ministry there was some interdepartment rivalry, as the Armed Forces could have supplied more modern tanks (T-72/80), which were in abundance.

 

Well, everything is possible – after all it was time when state institutions were preparing for civil war (see Ministry of emergency special forces created as “alternative army” for the case of military coup against "democrats”) – but I do not have any information about it.

[Roman Alymov]

Palmyra today

[Roman Alymov]

[Dark_Falcon]

 

Source.

[KV7]

I am surprised more thanks did not get the BDD add on. It would have to be one of the most cost effective upgrades you could do.

Edited March 4, 2017 by KV7

[bojan]

In Syria? They did not have BDD equipped T-62s or T-55s before war.

Edited March 4, 2017 by bojan

[Daan]

ISIS T-62 destroyed by a US airstrike in a HAS near Palmyra:

Edited March 4, 2017 by Daan

[KV7]

ISIS T-62 destroyed by a US airstrike in a HAS near Palmyra:

 

Quite thin walls on that HAS.

[Roman Alymov]

[bojan]

 

Quite thin walls on that HAS.

 

That type of HAS protects vs near misses and low caliber ordnance (57/68/70/80mm rockets).

[GARGEAN]

 

 

 

Quite thin walls on that HAS.

 

That type of HAS protects vs near misses and low caliber ordnance (57/68/70/80mm rockets).

Well, S-8BM can penetrate 0.8m of reinforced concrete, so not sure about that caliber.

[Dark_Falcon]

A T-62M burns near Tadmur. Weapon used for the kill is not known, but unlike the first T-62M to hit this one caught fire and so is the 1st confirmed loss for this type in Syria:

 

[Roman Alymov]

A T-62M burns near Tadmur. Weapon used for the kill is not known, but unlike the first T-62M to hit this one caught fire and so is the 1st confirmed loss for this type in Syria:

 

 

Original video (see this T-62 at 2:59)

[Dark_Falcon]

 

A T-62M burns near Tadmur. Weapon used for the kill is not known, but unlike the first T-62M to hit this one caught fire and so is the 1st confirmed loss for this type in Syria:

 

 

Original video (see this T-62 at 2:59)

 

 

From the footage it appears that the tank was previously disabled and was destroyed by Russian SOF to keep Daesh from salvaging anything from it.

[Roman Alymov]

 

 

From the footage it appears that the tank was previously disabled and was destroyed by Russian SOF to keep Daesh from salvaging anything from it.

 

Or just that video was cut and paste to make sequence looking like that. I do not think cameramen was able to film both officer shooting and tank hit at the same time – and also I do not think there was multi-camera TV crew on forward positions.

[Dark_Falcon]

Understood. An RT cameraman also shot video of an SAA-manned T-62 killed during the 2nd fall of Palmyra/Tadmur:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIjSUD5MjdQ&feature=youtu.be&t=1m11s

 

The video misidentified the T-62 as being Daesh-manned at the time of its destruction, but Daesh's own footage showed the wreck after the 2nd fall:

 

 

The left fender had been removed by the time the RT crew filmed the wreck, but its clearly the same wrecked tank.

 

 

To be clear, I don't believe fault should leveled at the news crew, as they likely had not seen Daesh's footage. Mistakes happen and theirs was a minor one.

[Daan]

Interesting footage!

 

Roman, do you know why some of the special forces soldiers carry 7.62 x 39 mm AKs instead of the more often observed 5.45 mm variants? Easier ammunition supply from Assad's forces? Given the vast open terrain a flat shooting cartridge would seem a bit nicer.

 

Edited March 6, 2017 by Daan

[Panzermann]

Interesting footage!

 

Roman, do you know why some of the special forces soldiers carry 7.62 x 39 mm AKs instead of the more often observed 5.45 mm variants? Easier ammunition supply from Assad's forces? Given the vast open terrain a flat shooting cartridge would seem a bit nicer.

 

Nostalgia. "knockdown power" and other things people bring forward to defend the inferiour choice. Okay with sub sonic loads and a silencer I can see a use.

 

Maybe ammunition availability locally is a factor too.. They can plunder dead derkaderkas for ammunition.

 

 

btw, I have never seen a clear palstic magazine for an AKM before.

[Simon Tan]

Bulgarian 'Circle-10' clear mags. Available from Midway and other fine suppliers.

 

Side optic mount is Midway Industries with ADM lever.

 

Optics are L-3 Eotech.

 

AK rail is Zenit.

 

Grip is Hogue Overmold

 

You can see the 7N23 ammunition used. Black tip, red sealant lacquer. Much greater on target effect than 57-N-231 ball usually used and compared to 5.45 and very high barrier defeat. Basically unobtanium outside Russian government supply.

 

SSO expects to engage with personal rifles at 200m and in. Beyond, they have PKP, AGS-17 and assorted precision rifles. Or a 2B14 Podnos 82mm mortar. Or an ATGM.