Marsh Posted March 9, 2009 Posted March 9, 2009 Hi, The first time I saw the T-62 was in October 1973 and it appeared bloody impressive. I was visiting friends at El Rom after the IDF had pushed the Syrians back from the Golan Heights. There was a cluster of three T-62s on road 91 which climbs the Heights. Apparently they had been taken out by Centurions. The guns on the T-62s looked enormous. To the best of my knowledge, talking to Israeli tankers who fought in the October war, they were treated with a great deal of respect.CheersMarsh
alejandro_ Posted March 10, 2009 Posted March 10, 2009 It seems that S.Zaloga is going to publish a New Vanguard book on T-62: http://www.amazon.co.uk/T-62-Main-Battle-1...ref=pd_sim_b_18 Nice to see publications in English appearing, even if I think that Vanguard series are rather basic. To the best of my knowledge, talking to Israeli tankers who fought in the October war, they were treated with a great deal of respect. IIRC, apart from guns, Israeli crews were also impressed by IR sights, which were lacking in their own tanks.
Catalan Posted March 10, 2009 Posted March 10, 2009 I have never considered Perrett a very serious source.
geronimo Posted March 10, 2009 Posted March 10, 2009 The most common complaint I heard was with the gunnery system. From what I remember (and my memory is not perfect) when you lock it onto a target and fire the gun must depress to kick out the burning-hot empty shell out the ejector otherwise it bounces around and injures the crew. The problem is this eats time and slows the amount of rounds it can fire in a fast engagement as the gun must them track back to the coordinates it was locked onto after each firing. Bulgaria was the only WarPac state that received some T-62's. Already after a short time they were withdrawn again although the T-55's were kept in service. Apparently the Bulgarians were not satisfied with the T-62's armament. As far as I know, most of the turrets were destroyed but the hulls were converted into recovery tanks.
Guest JamesG123 Posted March 10, 2009 Posted March 10, 2009 Probably didn't want to fool with the 115mm ammo.
Gavin-Phillips Posted March 10, 2009 Posted March 10, 2009 It seems that S.Zaloga is going to publish a New Vanguard book on T-62:http://www.amazon.co.uk/T-62-Main-Battle-1...ref=pd_sim_b_18 Excellent! I've been hoping for a book based solely on the T-62 for quite a while. I wonder if the pictures published in the title will cover the variants used in Afghanistan/Chechnya/Georgia? Slat armour, BDD applique and all that? Should be interesting, I'll certainly be looking out for and/or ordering this one very soon. Cheers for the heads up.
alejandro_ Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 Can aynone tell if the tank in the photo is T-62? http://picasaweb.google.ru/OGorin
DemolitionMan Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Is there any 115mm ammo in existence which could on paper penetrate a M1A1 frontally? I´m reading "Armored Corps" at the moment and was curious if the T-62 could have any effect on an Abrams from the front.
LeoTanker Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) Can aynone tell if the tank in the photo is T-62? http://picasaweb.google.ru/OGorin Nice pic. A-stan? Wahts that box-shaped sensor above the gun barrel, FLIR? Edited March 16, 2009 by LeoTanker
Guest JamesG123 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Its an LRF if I recall correctly. Is there any 115mm ammo in existence which could on paper penetrate a M1A1 frontally? I´m reading "Armored Corps" at the moment and was curious if the T-62 could have any effect on an Abrams from the front. Excepting the cravat that no tank is invulnerable, no.
Manic Moran Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 I would suggest that if the improvement in tank-killing capability came at a cost in everything else, then the tank has become a tank destroyer. Probably the most egregious example of this would be the M1A1, a tank designed with the primary function of blowing up armoured vehicles, with a reduction compared to its predecessor in its ability to support infantry in a role other than blowing up armour which threatens them, which was the historical purpose of the tank. NTM
Lampshade111 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Do the Russians (or anybody) sell modernized 115mm ammo?
Jim Warford Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Just a few of my favorite T-62 pics... Shot at 2008-02-24 Shot with NIKON D100 at 2009-03-16 Shot at 2009-03-16 Shot at 2009-03-16
geronimo Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Its an LRF if I recall correctly. It sure is: the KDT-2 "Purpur".
Vasiliy Fofanov Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Is there any 115mm ammo in existence which could on paper penetrate a M1A1 frontally? Non-heavy-armor M1A1? Oh yes. The tungsten monoblock round that the Egyptians are currently getting from Britain shouldn't have much of a problem with even the most protected areas. Same thing goes, I suspect, for the late-80s Soviet monoblock DU round but info is sketchy about that one.
LeoTanker Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Non-heavy-armor M1A1? Oh yes. The tungsten monoblock round that the Egyptians are currently getting from Britain shouldn't have much of a problem with even the most protected areas. Same thing goes, I suspect, for the late-80s Soviet monoblock DU round but info is sketchy about that one. What, is Britain developing and producing 115 mm tankrounds?? How come? The market is kind of limited... (since for all I know T-62 is the only tank on Planet Earth that uses 115mm ammo). I would understand if the Israelis did since they most likely have more than a coupple of T-62s in stock. But the Brittons??
alejandro_ Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 I would understand if the Israelis did since they most likely have more than a coupple of T-62s in stock. But the Brittons?? As I remember the round was offered to Egypt, which operated a large number of T-62. The round offered was designed based on 105mm ammo, no big spending in research. Israel never seemed to have used T-62 operationally.
Vasiliy Fofanov Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 But the Brittons?? If Janes is to be believed not only the rounds but the replacement cannons were also produced by Royal Ordnance.
LeoTanker Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) If Janes is to be believed not only the rounds but the replacement cannons were also produced by Royal Ordnance. Errr... now your pulling my leg, right Vas? (Or perhaps I misunderstood you since English isnt my first language). Are you saying RO even manufactures 115 mm mainguns? (Right, i havent googled it yet). If one would want to try and add some extra firepower to an old '62, why the h-ll just not design an up to date 105 mm round (like the ones the US M60s used during the 1990s. Cant remember the friggin name, but you know what I mean) and scale the sabot up a bit so it fits a 115mm barrel? I dont misstrust you anything, Vas. If you say so, it is so. But it just seem so ...outlandish? Edited March 17, 2009 by LeoTanker
Vasiliy Fofanov Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Errr... now your pulling my leg, right Vas? If anyone is pulling legs it's Janes, not me Are you saying RO even manufactures 115 mm mainguns?Jane's, not me why the h-ll just not design an up to date 105 mm round You'll need to *completely* replace your 115mm ammo stockpile, entire nomenclature. I dont misstrust you anything, Vas. If you say so, it is so. But it just seem so ...outlandish? I've seen stranger things
Tomas Hoting Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Errr... now your pulling my leg, right Vas? (Or perhaps I misunderstood you since English isnt my first language). Are you saying RO even manufactures 115 mm mainguns? (Right, i havent googled it yet). If one would want to try and add some extra firepower to an old '62, why the h-ll just not design an up to date 105 mm round (like the ones the US M60s used during the 1990s. Cant remember the friggin name, but you know what I mean) and scale the sabot up a bit so it fits a 115mm barrel? I dont misstrust you anything, Vas. If you say so, it is so. But it just seem so ...outlandish? According to Jane's, Royal Ordnance manufactured replacement barrels for the Egyptian T-62s, but not complete guns. They also developed a modern tungsten projectile, the 115mm BD/36-2 APFSDS-T, which is based on the 105mm H6/62 APFSDS-T. http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Ammuni...ound-Egypt.html Apparently GIAT also offered an upgrade of the T-62 in the 1980s. This would have included fitting one of GIAT's 120mm L52 smoothbore guns, probably the G1 with its lower recoil forces.
alejandro_ Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Apparently GIAT also offered an upgrade of the T-62 in the 1980s. This would have included fitting one of GIAT's 120mm L52 smoothbore guns, probably the G1 with its lower recoil forces. KMTB still offers a T-62 upgrade: http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/t62.php Interestingly, gun chosen for upgrade is 120mm caliber, not 125. 120mm with one-unit round is probably easier to load in a confined space as in T-62 turret. Edited March 18, 2009 by alejandro_
Vasiliy Fofanov Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Russia also offers a 120mm T-62 upgrade. Most likely both programs target the same customer, and Egypt is the only one I can think of.
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