DKTanker Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 Is this an unexploded bomb or aircraft drop-tank?Bomb? No, look at the size dent it has. I dare say a bomb, and it would be about a 1000 Lb if it were, wouldn't dent going through some shoddily constructed cinder block dwelling.
DKTanker Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 Looks like a drop tank to me.Why would the IAF be using drop tanks? Besides, it would be an awfully small drop tank. Looks more like a sensor pod.
Tzefa Posted January 4, 2009 Author Posted January 4, 2009 Why would the IAF be using drop tanks?So they can stay in the sky longer. Besides, it would be an awfully small drop tank. Looks more like a sensor pod.Yea true, could be that too - either case its not a bomb.
Tzefa Posted January 4, 2009 Author Posted January 4, 2009 On a side note, can anyone tell me what the purpose is of the IDF wearing those "mesh" looking things on their helmets? To break the silhouette
BansheeOne Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 4) Palestinians also claim IDF movement in the south near the Dahanya airport (you can find it on the map opposite Kerem Shalom) and some fire contacts there. 5) There are unconfirmed reports in the arab media of a seaborne assault in the southern tip of Gaza, near Rafah and the egyptian border. Could be bullshit, but maybe our wannabe-marines Givati finally got their chance : ) I thought from the start that cutting off Hamas from the Egyptian border, either from the land or/and sea side, would have to be one of the first steps for a successful cleanup operation.
Marek Tucan Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 Why would the IAF be using drop tanks? Besides, it would be an awfully small drop tank. Looks more like a sensor pod. Or helicopter drop tanks? I can imagine that for say AH-64's over Gaza loiter time is more important than full ammo load.
Rubberneck Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 Suprising anyone could tell the difference... On the more ironic side, IDF bomb or shell damaged a sewage collector in Beit Hanun and shit is flooding the streets.
DKTanker Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 I thought from the start that cutting off Hamas from the Egyptian border, either from the land or/and sea side, would have to be one of the first steps for a successful cleanup operation.The irony being that Egypt doesn't allow for legal crossing of its border with Gaza. The humanitarian truck columns, they don't cross the Egypt-Gaza border, they cross the Israel-Gaza border. Why, when there is talk about the Israeli blockade of Gaza there is no mention of the Egyptian blockade of Gaza is beyond me. Not even Israeli talking heads speak of it.
DesertEagle Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 Looks like a drop tank to me. I love what he's done with the place. Fabulous.
Guest JamesG123 Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 The irony being that Egypt doesn't allow for legal crossing of its border with Gaza. The humanitarian truck columns, they don't cross the Egypt-Gaza border, they cross the Israel-Gaza border. Why, when there is talk about the Israeli blockade of Gaza there is no mention of the Egyptian blockade of Gaza is beyond me. Not even Israeli talking heads speak of it. Because they are grateful for any help they can get even low key and don't want to jinx it.
BansheeOne Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 The irony being that Egypt doesn't allow for legal crossing of its border with Gaza. The humanitarian truck columns, they don't cross the Egypt-Gaza border, they cross the Israel-Gaza border. I know, but the foreign-supplied arms surely don't come in via Israel. Vice versa, I wouldn't expect any possible escape routes for key Hamas personnel to run there.
Vasiliy Fofanov Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 Anyone who supports democracy should wish the Israelis success. Anyone who supports democracy should wish the Hamas success
crazyinsane105 Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 Anyone who supports democracy should wish the Hamas success Yeah because they were also elected in a democratic way.
jaro Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 They wish to fight till last breath.... I say lets IDF handle that...
T19 Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 Good Hunting May the IDF take this opportunity to maximize the number of opportunities for Hamas martyrdom Crazy, democracies should support this action because it is a democracy fighting Evil, that wants to distort democracy and wants to kill based on race, religion or ethnicity alone. Had Hamas played nice, and stopped being idiots, they would have had peace. If you missed that as a freshman, happy to remind you
Djuice Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 They should of nuked it instead of sending in ground troops.. Just do what the American's did in WW2.. Nuke Gaza City, and wait for Hamas to climb out of its radioactive holes...
Guest JamesG123 Posted January 4, 2009 Posted January 4, 2009 I don't think they would enjoy the radioactive fallout settling on the rest of Israel.
Jeff Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 I don't think they would enjoy the radioactive fallout settling on the rest of Israel.Out of curiosity and in the interest of Threadjacker 2000, how much fallout would there be with an airburst?
Tzefa Posted January 5, 2009 Author Posted January 5, 2009 Out of curiosity and in the interest of Threadjacker 2000, how much fallout would there be with an airburst? Have fun : ) http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html http://www.carloslabs.com/projects/200712B/GroundZero.html You'll see, a little boy or a fat man don't even cover the entire Gaza strip. Although of course radioactive fallout effects are unpredictable... and or course it doesn't calculate WWIII probability after something like that : )
DKTanker Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 You'll see, a little boy or a fat man don't even cover the entire Gaza strip. Although of course radioactive fallout effects are unpredictable... and or course it doesn't calculate WWIII probability after something like that : )Another good reason to invoke the names of Arthur Harris and Curtis LeMay...sans August 6th and 9th 1945.
Kenneth P. Katz Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Israel's tagline is "the only democracy in the Middle East". We can argue if Lebanon and Iraq are also democracies, but the term "democracy" is a label for a lot things other than just elections in the narrow sense, and in that broader sense Israel's tagline is correct. Contrary to your assertion, the democratic nature of Israel is essential to its positioning in the American political environment. Consider the counterfactual that Israel is not a democracy. It is also not an oil supplier, so it would be just another mess of a country in a region that is mostly a pain. It would not be a particularly popular cause. Consider why the Palestinian cause is so unpopular in the United States. The Palestinians are regarded as losers, fanatics, terrorists, thugs, etc. which as a generalization is fairly valid. Who wants to identify with that? Go to the website of a pro-Israel organization (AIPAC, TIP, JINSA, etc.) and see how prominently they harp on the democracy thing. There is a reason for this. As for the Egyptians and the Saudis, the consensus amongst people who seem to know about these things is that the alternative to the Mubarak and Saudi regimes is not some tolerant and decent order but Salafist fanatics. So to wish the present regimes success in their crackdown is not supporting democracy, it is supporting bad against worse which in this imperfect world is often the choice that we face. And while the victory of the Mubarak or Saudi regimes would not be a victory for democracy, their defeat by Salafist fanatics would be a setback for the United States, Israel and the other democracies. Not trying to change the topic, but how does democracy go with this? Honestly, I don't think anybody really cares if Israel is democracy or not. They happen to be America's ally in the Middle East, have strong lobbyist support from the US, etc. etc. The US supports dictators like Egypt's Mubarak and the Saudi monarchy. So next time if the Egyptians were going to conduct their own security operation with full US support, would you also claim be saying that anyone who supports democracy should wish an American supported dictator success in whatever they do?
Kenneth P. Katz Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 I do remember that a country with a democratically elected government (democratic in attaining power, not in maintaining it) once invaded and almost conquered your country, which at the time had a government that was anything but. Anyone who supports democracy should wish the Hamas success
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