A war worth fighting

[JasonJ]

World War 2 began in 1937 with the Japanese invasion of China anyway; the idea that it began on 1.9.1939 is typical of Western-centric viewpoints.

 

Sorry to kinda go off topic.

 

The idea that WW2 really started with the Japanese invasion may be illogical. When Japan invaded China in 1937, that was the start of the Second Sino-Japanese war. The conflict of World War 2 could not be acknowleged as its name until Germany invaded Poland.

[philgollin]

Sorry to kinda go off topic.

 

The idea that WW2 really started with the Japanese invasion may be illogical. When Japan invaded China in 1937, that was the start of the Second Sino-Japanese war. The conflict of World War 2 could not be acknowleged as its name until Germany invaded Poland.

 

Lots of ways of looking at things - none particulary right or wrong. Japan was in China already before 1937. Germany was performing illegal take-overs of countries before Poland.

 

Strictly speaking, WW2 cannot be really said to have started until France/UK declared war on Germany on 3rd September 1939. Until then it was merely another German take-over (although with full-scale fighting.

 

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[m4a1]

Re Stalin, casaulty-wise he was about two orders of magnitude better atleast for our country. some 350 000 vs. 5000.

For our country either, as I mentioned before - >6 000 000 vs. up to 300 000 and perhaps much less, number is still very huge due to 1939 Soviet in vasion and later Katyn massacre (22 thsd) and sending Polish civilians to Siberia, many of whom died.

Lastdingo, tell me what are you talking about when you're reffering to Polish artrocities 1918-1939 (before the war). I Don't recall.

And why Poland is "playing victim nation"? Numbers, again. 6 millions of Polish citizens died in this war, including about 4 milion of Jews. This shows both that in Europe we suffered most except for Soviet Union, and that Nazi racial-based geoncide was aimed both at Jews and at non-Jewish Slavians (which Hitler didn't manage to perform on such scale due to Allied victory). Another evidence of that is treatment of Russian POWs by Germans, and of course Soviet civilians.

As far as collonialism is concerned, I agree with ickysdad. And Poland had no colonies then.

[JasonJ]

Lots of ways of looking at things - none particulary right or wrong. Japan was in China already before 1937. Germany was performing illegal take-overs of countries before Poland.

 

But do those events fit the definition of war? It can be misinterpretation if those events are used to describe part of the war rather then events that lead to a war.

 

 

Strictly speaking, WW2 cannot be really said to have started until France/UK declared war on Germany on 3rd September 1939. Until then it was merely another German take-over (although with full-scale fighting.

 

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I agree, but perhaps, "strictly speaking" may not be necessary.

[Cromwell]

One should not really try to refute such utter nonsense on a point by point basis, however TIME magazine did quite a good job of it last week. It's like arguing with Jewish Holocaust deniers, or 9/11 conspirators; it all gets rather silly rather quickly. No, the big lesson is what it tells us about the author: one of the most articulate and prolific characters on the weekend TV circuit for the last 20 years. A man who has run for President and who worked as a speech writer (an important post I think) for a President. He might be after money, or fame or just be losing it as he has aged. But if this man has always had such opinions then either he or the forums that invite him to speak every week are off the reservation. That such a book be published is a commentary on our times. Wisdom and sagacity seem to have been supplanted by sensationalism and extremism. How this folly is to be constrained without seeming week to a frightened and war weary nation will require some very deep new political philosophy and advocates.

[BillB]

There was no reasoning involved, it was a list of historical facts.

Not by my understanding of the "historical facts" or indeed the meaning of the words themselves, I'm afraid.

 

BillB