FY 1939 program

[TRYTRY]

How many battleships FY 1939 program appropriated, two or four?

http://encarta.msn.com/sidebar_461500894/1...ted_states.html

The regular Naval Appropriation Act (approved April 26, 1938) appropriated $546,866,494 for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1939. Of this amount $117,363,150 was for construction of vessels previously authorized and for the commencement of two battleships, two cruisers, eight destroyers and six submarines authorized by the Act of March 27, 1934; for other vessels authorized by the Act of July 30, 1937, and also $20,700,000 for armor, armament and ammunition for these vessels.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/usnshtp/bb/bb57cl.htm

The four South Dakota class battleships represented the second group of 35,000-ton capital ships whose construction began shortly before the Second World War. Built with Fiscal Year 1939 appropriations, they were more compact and better protected than the preceding North Carolina class, but had the same main battery of nine 16"/45 guns in triple turrets.

[konev]

Try,

 

From my reading, the appropriations completes those already previously appropriated (which is probably the North Carolina class), plus finishing the first two of the South Dakotas (South dakota and Massachusetts), then completely funding the last two SDs (Indiana and Alabama).

 

konev

[TRYTRY]

Try,

 

From my reading, the appropriations completes those already previously appropriated (which is probably the North Carolina class), plus finishing the first two of the South Dakotas (South dakota and Massachusetts), then completely funding the last two SDs (Indiana and Alabama).

 

konev

konev

 

I checked Friedman's Battleship yesterday. I think Congress violated the law. First Vinson Act authorized battleship to treatry limit( 520000 tons). After Congress fund for 2 NC in FY 1938, USN's battleships reach the limit (BB33-46 BB48 BB55 BB56). When Congress fund 2 SD in April, 1938(FY 1939 Act), It broke 520000 tons authorization! When Second Vinson Act was approved in May, the limit reached 660000 tons. When Congress fund other 2 SD in June(superaddition FY 1939 Act), USN's battleships reach 660000 tons(520000 + 4SD).

Now, I have other question. I know superaddition FY 1939 Act include BB59 BB60 CV8. Did It include other ships?

 

trytry

[konev]

Try,

 

Other types (cruisers, DD's, etc). I don't know. As far as the Iowa-class BB, they didn't get funded until starting in FY 40.

 

Treaty limits were a whole nother matter. That was probably based on the number of Ships in commission, not under construction.

 

Remember, the North Carolina's did get commission until the spring of '41 and the South Dakota's March-August 1942.

 

FYI, here are the totals, then sub-totals for the BBs (full load displacements, not design displacements):

 

28,000 Arkansas

28,000 New York

28,000 Texas

28,000 Nevada

28,000 Oklahoma

32,000 Pensylvania

32,000 Arizona

33,000 New Mexico

33,000 Mississippi

33,000 Idaho

34,000 Tennessee

34,000 California

35,000 Colorado

35,000 Maryland

35,000 West Virginia

476,000 sub-total

 

44,000 North Carolina

44,000 Washington

564,000 sub-total

 

44,000 South Dakota

44,000 Indiana

44,000 Massachusetts

44,000 Alabama

740,000 grand total

 

With FDR delcaring the national emergency in 1940, a full year before the North Carolina's were ready, I would say FDR nullified the Treaty at the time. You have to remember at the time also, with Japan rampaging through China and Japan already known to be violating the Treaty limits, I don't think FDR had to twist to many arms to get approval for the new ships from Congress.

 

konev

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The treaty limits were based on Washington Treaty Tonnage, NOT full loas displacement. Accordingly, the North Carolina and South Dakota classes were 35,000 (not 44,000) ton ships and the Iowas were 45,000 ton ships.

[TRYTRY]

I think it is a process mistake. Congress should authorize fleet size expanding before fund for ships.

JOHN M. BARRETT say Congress funded 2 SD, Hornet, 2 CL in FY 1939(AN ANALYSIS OF THE CAUSAL FACTORS BEHIND THE UNITED STATES NAVY’S WARSHIP-BUILDING PROGRAMS FROM 1933 TO 1941). I think this fund should mean superaddition FY 1939 Act. I have checked DANFS on line and navsource.org and naval history center, but they all don't mention CL's date of appropriation. I guess FY 1939 act appropriate CL-51/52, and superaddition FY 1939 Act appropriate CL-53/54.

[konev]

Gents,

 

p = Thanks

 

Try,

 

That is about how Congress usually does the process. After the President submits his budget to Congress, Congress goes through two processes. First is to authorize the funding and/or increase (this is sometimes called the policy phase), then once the authorization goes through (AFAIK, it does not go to the President). then Congress actually settles down to figure out the funding.

 

You can have a ship authorized, but if COngress doesn't appropriate money, it's not going to happen. For example, the Iowa's could have been authroized in FY 1935, but the funding didn't start for them until FY 1940.

 

IMHO, a total waste of time (first process).

 

konev