tanknut Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 You watch, Myanmar WILL be a boogey-man of our foreign policy...but probably not until about 10 more years. It really seems like we pick and choose only a handful of countries to define as our enemies that we actively get involved with at one time, it seems about 3 at a time or so. Iran is next on the list, so that our enemies are mostly Iran, Syria, and North Korea. And we can't seem to really focus media wise and diplomatically on more than 3 nations at a time to put concerted pressure on. But once one of those countries gets friendly with us like Libya, or we take out like Iraq, Sudan and then Myanmar will be next. And there are and will be good reasons to be found. One of the reasons we were told we took out the Taliban was because they were the number 1 drug exporter (of heroin and opium) in the world, guess who is number two? Also Myanmar is building its conventional army up as fast as Iraq in the 1980's it seems, one wonders why... They have had plenty of armed border spates with neighboring democracies friendly with the US. And there is talk they are going for nuclear power, they could be an Asian version of Iran in 10 to 15 years.
Corinthian Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Also Myanmar is building its conventional army up as fast as Iraq in the 1980's it seems, one wonders why... And there is talk they are going for nuclear power, they could be an Asian version of Iran in 10 to 15 years. Re: conventional build-up, it's so they can have Bigger Brother out there and stamp out any gatherings that may become large protests. Or, more soldiers to kill more Buddhist priests. As for nukes, they'll also use it to irradiate the local protesters....
Archie Pellagio Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 This thread is moot. RAMBO IS ON THE WAY ALREADY! The junta is through...
swerve Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 One thing to remember: the current regime has already defeated multiple simultaneous insurgencies which were, between them, probably better funded (lots of heroin money, taxing locals in the insurgent areas, etc) than the proposed budget for this operation.
Guest JamesG123 Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 So what would it take? A CBG and a Marine Division?
Paul in Qatar Posted October 4, 2007 Posted October 4, 2007 I dunno. I need a map. I would suppose the thing to do is cut the bridges and power lines and then dive up the rivers to wherever we are going. Of course the first thing we will need is a Burmese planning staff. Could we trust them?
Corinthian Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 (edited) I dunno. I need a map. I would suppose the thing to do is cut the bridges and power lines and then dive up the rivers to wherever we are going. Of course the first thing we will need is a Burmese planning staff. Could we trust them? Sure we can: And this one reminds me of Sir Michael Jackson: Edited October 5, 2007 by TomasCTT
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Corinthian Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 Those are cool cats. If you have about an hour to laugh your ass off, look thru this compilation of funny captioned cat's being weird thread:(I'm pretty sure you can see 'em without registering)http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index....ic,11281.0.html also found this cool thread of airshow pics while looking for the above:http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index....ic,15976.0.html I got the Login page. I do have a spare email for such things though.
EchoFiveMike Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 $100 mil US? That isn't much for a real military operation. Buy a hundred or so AN-2's, hire a bunch of former SA(or US willing to work cheap) pilots via BW or other PMC, buy sufficient spray gear, high end (Gen III+) NVG's, high end SCBA's and plenty of decon gear and about 100,000 gallons of cyanogen chloride, sulphur mustard(HD) and G series nerve agents. Spend most of the $ on fuel for training. All military installations IVO Rangoon get high level doses of G and HD via near simulataneous raids conducted at 0130L 'ish(H hour). Known leadership sites get same treatment with additional dosage of CK and re-attack 1hr later based on the premise they may have NBC gear. If it appears feasible to support air attack with local disruption of the power and communications grid, great. If not, oh well. Aircraft based in Thailand, airfields built under the guise of counter drug ops, using counter drug funding. Here's where I use my friendly local intel cover. Lots of fields, lots of redundant support basing. Make use of the AN-2's rough field ability. I use about 3,000 of the best Burmese, the rest I neither need nor want for the mainline forces, they shall be my popular uprising. Give the select forces an AK, 6 mags and a frag per man. Organize in 6 man tms, 12 man squads and 36 man platoons, one RPG-7 and Gen III NVG per squad, one 82mm mortar per platoon. Focus on shoot and move, comm I'm not worried about, need aggressive leaders willing to move to the sound of the guns. Begin crossing the border with diversionary force(approx 1000 men, with one commercial trk per plt) at dusk on D-Day(H+16 or so), since for all practical purposes, the attack at H hour could very well be a terrorist attack, make no attempts to dispel that rumor, blame AQ or whatever. Begin broad spectrum RF jamming in coordination with ground attacks or earlier if ground force compromised. Diversionary attack is to be launched roughly along the Burma RR, directed, ultimately, at Moulmein. Bypass resistance where possible, hit those units at night with chem agents IOT isolate and immobilise. If serious resistance is met, withdraw and suppress with CK/G series mix during night air operations. Focus on ambushing small units such as routine patrols, attempt to lure enemy forces away from fixed defenses and civilian sites and ambush any mobile columns they may sally. Platoons to operate as independant units, supported via their truck, supplemented via pillage and plunder of enemy .mil units. If unit is dispersed, all survivors to rally at pre-determined time and location IVO Moulmein. Figure 2 weeks to cover the 200km or so distance. Primary attack to consist of remaining 2000 men, delivered via 2 ferries at night, at a point determined by the effectiveness of the initial chem attack at reducing the enemy leadership, as well as the success of the diversionary attack at pulling forces towards itself. Target is occupation of Rangoon and elimination of remaining enemy leadership types. S/F....Ken M
Kensuke Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 This thread is moot. RAMBO IS ON THE WAY ALREADY! The junta is through... What if he doubles over and has a heart attack? Shouldn't we have a backup plan? - John
Marek Tucan Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 What if he doubles over and has a heart attack? Shouldn't we have a backup plan? - JohnGood point. Team him with Marcinko and Chuck Norris. I know, overkill, but what the hell... Maybe add Topper Harley in the mix
Kensuke Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 (edited) Since When does Burma have a "good Navy" and a "decent air-force?" Compared to what? The only corvettes I am aware they have were 2 old ex-WW2 gun-boats Then your info is out of date. They have at *least* three modern corvettes, one modern frigate, and about a dozen missile FACs. All of these have C-802. I'm not saying that's god damned incredible, but it's better than their neighbors in Bangladesh have (or as Thomas will no doubt lament, the PN), and its enough to indict anything our little army tries to send in by sea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_Navy ...and nothing they have in the air-force was half as good as the Muj faced in Afghanistan, and they did all right with what we supplied them. Yeah, and I think it's safe to assume we supplied them to a tune a LOT higher than $100 million, AND they had home field advantage. Myanmar has: 12 MiG-29s52 J-7 (MiG-21)16 J-6 (MiG-19)48 Q-512 G-47 PC-9 And a number of helicopters and transport assets. Not as good as India, Thailand, or China, but a bit better than Bangladesh or Laos. Their air defense also looks pretty formidable. Our air forces presently consist of JACK and SHIT. And I'm not entirely sure Jack is on board yet. We're still negotiating in case Rambo doesn't show. - John Edited October 5, 2007 by Kensuke
Guest JamesG123 Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 Yeah, you can say a lot of negative things about the Junta, but they did build themselves a pretty nice military machine well suited to defending their turf. I hate to say it but I think E5M is right, the only "real" way of doing this within the limits imposed is to "cheat" and resort to CB weapons to knock out most of their advantages. And that is most assuredly not politically tenable, both internationally and to the patrons.
Ivanhoe Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 No blood for teak! Given the length of time the junta has been in power, dislodging them will be a real bear. I think you'd have to have a 3-pronged attack. Occupy the regular army with localized insurrections out in the remote areas, take out the headmen with JDAMs or equivalent, then bring in a MNF into the capitol.
EchoFiveMike Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 Yeah, you can say a lot of negative things about the Junta, but they did build themselves a pretty nice military machine well suited to defending their turf. I hate to say it but I think E5M is right, the only "real" way of doing this within the limits imposed is to "cheat" and resort to CB weapons to knock out most of their advantages. And that is most assuredly not politically tenable, both internationally and to the patrons. They don't have to love me, they just have to make the payment schedule. S/F....Ken M
Guest JamesG123 Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 Can't spend it if you've made an international war criminal of yourself. Unless you use it to rent a cave next door to Osama...
tanknut Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Then your info is out of date. They have at *least* three modern corvettes, one modern frigate, and about a dozen missile FACs. All of these have C-802. I'm not saying that's god damned incredible, but it's better than their neighbors in Bangladesh have (or as Thomas will no doubt lament, the PN), and its enough to indict anything our little army tries to send in by sea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_NavyYeah, and I think it's safe to assume we supplied them to a tune a LOT higher than $100 million, AND they had home field advantage. Myanmar has: 12 MiG-29s52 J-7 (MiG-21)16 J-6 (MiG-19)48 Q-512 G-47 PC-9 And a number of helicopters and transport assets. Not as good as India, Thailand, or China, but a bit better than Bangladesh or Laos. Their air defense also looks pretty formidable. Our air forces presently consist of JACK and SHIT. And I'm not entirely sure Jack is on board yet. We're still negotiating in case Rambo doesn't show. - John You are right, my info was out of date... But that brings me back to one of my points, my infor was not largely out of date years wise yet the numbers were very different, especially for the navy. Which bring sme to the point I made earlier that they are growing in size and capability so quickly that it leads me to beleive this isolation is jsut a phase and at some point in the near future they will start throwing their weight around because this surge makes you wonder just what their intentions really are.
Junior FO Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 (edited) ... Edited September 19, 2024 by Junior FO
tanknut Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Good point. Team him with Marcinko and Chuck Norris. I know, overkill, but what the hell... Maybe add Topper Harley in the mix When you piss off Rambo...Even john Rambo alone is an overkill! Check this stuff out! http://www.toxicshock.tv/news/2007/05/21/j...bo-4-trailer-1/
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