NASA G2

[Ssnake]

In all fairness, I don't remember Stuart promoting the woke agenda. And tribalism can be found on both ends of the US political spectrum. I also agree that it's spreading, and that it's a kind of mind cancer that needs to be fought back against. Still, Stuart hasn't called it a good thing and that we need more of it, or that NASA engineers get better with more melanin in their skins.

[DKTanker]

59 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

In all fairness, I don't remember Stuart promoting the woke agenda. And tribalism can be found on both ends of the US political spectrum. I also agree that it's spreading, and that it's a kind of mind cancer that needs to be fought back against. Still, Stuart hasn't called it a good thing and that we need more of it, or that NASA engineers get better with more melanin in their skins.

Stuart said pointing out wokism or DEI hires is at least as bad as the hiring practice.  At least as bad means, in his eyes, that it is potentially worse to point out DEI hires than it is to ignore the practice.  That's a statement he needs to defend for himself.  You're right it is a disease, a cancer, that needs to be fought back against, but that doesn't happen by defending those that defend the practice.

[Stuart Galbraith]

I didnt say it was, I said it POTENTIALLY could be.

Imagine if the next Werner von Braun is an Indian, and is put off from putting in for cutting edge jobs in the US because he knows the backlash from the woke agenda under the next administration means either he is going to get overlooked, or viewed as being there because of the brown vote. Who is going to lose at that point? And quite clearly, you are the ones that will be losing out. He might just go to France and Ariane, who dont look at the world through this kind of political horseshit.

And thats the danger you potentially face if you start alienating hard working individuals whose only failing is they might be ideally suited for the job and brown skinned or even worse, female. I was explicitly clear I think, but like always on tanknet these days, if you are in any way critical of 'the narrative', you must be Woke or a Communist.

 

And once again, the debate goes down the very road I was trying to avoid, trying to inject wokism and culture war into the Nasa thread. Can you guys just shut the fuck up and enjoy the science just for once?

 

[Ssnake]

It seems like we all agree that engineers should be hired based on their merits, and nothing else.

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

And once again, the debate goes down the very road I was trying to avoid, trying to inject wokism and culture war into the Nasa thread. Can you guys just shut the fuck up and enjoy the science just for once?

How about that success at Boeing? How about that DEI mission at Nasa?

[sunday]

If only wokeism would allow us to enjoy science, basically by not existing...

[DKTanker]

16 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I didnt say it was, I said it POTENTIALLY could be.

Imagine if the next Werner von Braun is an Indian, and is put off from putting in for cutting edge jobs in the US because he knows the backlash from the woke agenda under the next administration means either he is going to get overlooked, or viewed as being there because of the brown vote.

You make an excellent gas for dust binning the horrendous idea of DEI wokism hiring.  Every last institution should roundly ridicule the idea and rid it from their business philosophies.  You should be blaming the institutions that are advocates of DEI/Wokism hiring, not those pointing out the obvious flaw. 

 

[DKTanker]

16 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

And once again, the debate goes down the very road I was trying to avoid, trying to inject wokism and culture war into the Nasa thread. Can you guys just shut the fuck up and enjoy the science just for once?

Nobody on this grate sight did, the blame lies with those that did, Boeing and NASA.

[Stuart Galbraith]

20 hours ago, Ssnake said:

It seems like we all agree that engineers should be hired based on their merits, and nothing else.

My middle name was very nearly 'Brunel', possibly the most famous civil engineer in the United Kindom (My father was a fan). So with that in mind, I couldnt ever think otherwise.

Personally, im getting increasingly bored with the same individuals trying to introduce their personal culture war into every sodding thread on Tanknet. Its boring, and its killing interest on the site.

And one thing is for sure, they are not creating any elucidation on what is going on at Boeing. I think it fairly clear the problems at boeing, at least the aeronautical division have nothing to do with woke politics, and everything to do with bad management practice. Which yes, can mean hiring the wrong people, it can also mean not doing enough testing. Its hardly as if the Apollo program wasnt beset by enough problems in that regard, and nobody has blamed woke for that. Yet.

 

Edited Thursday at 07:18 AM by Stuart Galbraith

[Yama]

On 10/1/2024 at 3:51 AM, rmgill said:

They weren't hired because they were women OR black. They were hired because they could do the math. 

Woke/DEI does the opposite. 

Oceangate founders were two old white guys  Their team was just as 'white' as anyone else's, what Rush meant was that he didn't want anyone expensive.

[DKTanker]

2 hours ago, Yama said:

Oceangate founders were two old white guys  Their team was just as 'white' as anyone else's, what Rush meant was that he didn't want anyone expensive.

Do you have some evidence to back up that assertion?

[futon]

Taichi Yamazaki was a Mitsubishi engineer that worked at the former NASA mission control center during the construction of ISS and training for the Kibou module. His wife, Naoko Yamazaki was an astronaut and flew on Space Shuttle Discovery for construction work. They made a space family.

https://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/002/609/2609979/

 

Edited Thursday at 12:25 PM by futon

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, DKTanker said:

Do you have some evidence to back up that assertion?

No, because he's reading the mind of a dead guy (Stockton Rush) instead of reading what he stated from news articles and an interview.

From the New York Post:

 

“When I started the business, one of the things you’ll find, there are other sub-operators out there, but they typically have, uh, gentlemen who are ex-military submariners, and they — you’ll see a whole bunch of 50-year-old white guys,” Rush told Teledyne Marine in a newly resurfaced undated Zoom interview. 

“I wanted our team to be younger, to be inspirational and I’m not going to inspire a 16-year-old to go pursue marine technology, but a 25-year-old, uh, you know, who’s a sub pilot or a platform operator or one of our techs can be inspirational,” he continued.

I'm sure a handful of people who were crushed at 3000 meter depth in a sudden implosion turning them into fishfood is inspirational. 

[Yama]

3 hours ago, DKTanker said:

Do you have some evidence to back up that assertion?

Yes. From recent Wired article:

Like most startups, OceanGate was in constant need of funds. Rush was trying to save money wherever he could. Interns, who made up around a third of the engineering team, were paid as little as $13 an hour. (When a manager pointed out in 2016 that Washington’s minimum wage was just $9.47 an hour, Rush responded, “I agree we are high. $10 seems fair.”)

It was cheaper to hire 'inspired' 25 year old, than 50 year old who knew their stuff and wanted actual money in return.

Edited Thursday at 02:51 PM by Yama

[rmgill]

So low experienced engineers who are cheap and not white or old, certainly paid off for OceanGate didn’t they? 
 

Also, I have followed Wired for years. Their editorial quality has fallen.  

[Yama]

2 minutes ago, rmgill said:

So low experienced engineers who are cheap and not white or old, certainly paid off for OceanGate didn’t they? 
 

Lets just cut through the nonsense: Oceangate hiring practises had nothing to do with DEI, that much is obvious.

As for SpaceX, it's certainly not hard to find articles or news releases where they proudly bang their 'Diversity' drum. Whether it's just lip service or some actual, concrete policy, I can't tell, probably former. That said, I think anyone who expects SpaceX to be some bulwark of white Anglo-Saxon protestantic values, would be disappointed. I don't think Musk cares rats' ass about what kind of deity some of his engineer worships, or what they identify as, if they can design an efficient turbopump.

[sunday]

Of course, the head of SpaceX is a true African-American, after all, @Yama.

[Yama]

Yep, and an immigrant to boot.