The Gavin lives on

[Nic240]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/lib...e-systems01.htm

I wonder just how long the M113 is going to last in service, but if there is no replacement it might last six or seven decades.

[irregularmedic]

what?!

No funding for the MerkaGavin?

[Corinthian]

what?!

No funding for the MerkaGavin?

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Wait for it. I'm building one.

[Jacques]

The M113 is just waiting for a compact Gas-turbine, so they can soup it up to keep up with the M1's....oh, and they need pop-out side braces for taking those corners too fast...

[Archie Pellagio]

In all seriousness though is there currently any vehicle on the market / drawing board that offers similar to the 113 in terms of support vehicles ie a large troop carrying armoured vehicle? Everything these days seems to carry a section or less.

 

Is it an issue?

[A2Keltainen]

In all seriousness though is there currently any vehicle on the market / drawing board that offers similar to the 113 in terms of support vehicles ie a large troop carrying armoured vehicle? Everything these days seems to carry a section or less.

 

The USMC's new EFC carries 3 + 17:

 

"How many Marines will an EFV carry?

 

Along with the crew of three (Vehicle Commander, Gunner, and Driver), the EFV Personnel Variant (EFVP1) can carry a reinforced Rifle Squad of 17 Marines, along with their individual combat equipment. This includes internal stowage of each Marine’s approach march load equipment and ammunition. Although the EFV has no specific requirement to transport 60mm and 81mm mortar crews, as well as combat engineer attachments and their equipment, various design changes have been incorporated to enhance the “carry†capability. Coupled with its mobility, communications, and survivability characteristics, as well as the lethality of the MK46 weapons station for the personnel variant, the EFV will be one of the most versatile combat vehicles on the 21 st century battlefield."

 

http://www.efv.usmc.mil/faq.asp#9

[irregularmedic]

oh, and they need pop-out side braces for taking those corners too fast...

 

you mean training wheels?

 

 

I suppose as long as you don't tell the troops it's amphibious* , the M113 is present and acceptable.

As long as we're going to be involved with conflicts with mines and IED's I'd like to see something developed that has a V shaped hull and half-way decent blast protection.

At least in the jungle you could ride on the roof of the M113, that's not really feasible in open terrain with snipers about

But like I said, for now we've got scads of them, keeping them going is probably our only choice for now

 

 

*Are the stories of the M113 sinking instead of floating myth?

[120mm]

you mean training wheels?

I suppose as long as you don't tell the troops it's amphibious* , the M113 is present and acceptable.

As long as we're going to be involved with conflicts with mines and IED's I'd like to see something developed that has a V shaped hull and half-way decent blast protection.

At least in the jungle you could ride on the roof of the M113, that's not really feasible in open terrain with snipers about

But like I said, for now we've got scads of them, keeping them going is probably our only choice for now   

*Are the stories of the M113 sinking instead of floating myth?

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All the M113s that I've been "swimming" with have floated just fine. They are a handful with a "following" current, though.

[shep854]

FWIW, I saw a tan M113 with an ACAV commander's turret being transported today.

 

EDIT: Maybe it was on its way to Anniston; it was going in the right direction.

Edited December 1, 2006 by shep854

[Colin]

We had one sink here at CFB Chilliwack back in the late 70's I think one guy died. Ours was trying to sink, couldn't tell it was sinking until water started seeping past the sand bag ballast. Quick turn to shore!!! A failure of a rear ramp seal I think was the cause, not missing plugs!!!

[JCT]

The USMC's new EFC carries 3 + 17:

 

"How many Marines will an EFV carry?

 

Just one more.

[Eric Johnson]

Correct me here if I am wrong, but the only person who calls the M113 the Gavin is Mike Sparks? Correct?

[George Newbill]

Well us when we are kidding.

[Guest bojan]

Correct me here if I am wrong, but the only person who calls the M113 the Gavin is Mike Sparks? Correct?

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Yes, but it came to use here also as a joke...

[A2Keltainen]

Just one more.

 

What do you mean by that? Do you mean that the EFV carries a total of 21 persons, or do you mean that it carries 3 + 17, which is one more than the M113 carries? In the latter case, the M113 officially carries 2 + 11, and 2 + 11 + 1 < 3 + 17.

[DB]

What do you mean by that? Do you mean that the EFV carries a total of 21 persons, or do you mean that it carries 3 + 17, which is one more than the M113 carries? In the latter case, the M113 officially carries 2 + 11, and 2 + 11 + 1 < 3 + 17.

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It's a joke. There's *always* room for one more, everybody just breathe in.

 

David

[larrikin]

you mean training wheels?

I suppose as long as you don't tell the troops it's amphibious* , the M113 is present and acceptable.

As long as we're going to be involved with conflicts with mines and IED's I'd like to see something developed that has a V shaped hull and half-way decent blast protection.

At least in the jungle you could ride on the roof of the M113, that's not really feasible in open terrain with snipers about

But like I said, for now we've got scads of them, keeping them going is probably our only choice for now   

*Are the stories of the M113 sinking instead of floating myth?

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Nope, about a decade ago they managed to have one sink in the middle of the Swan River in Perth with members of the media on board. When they fished the news camera out the local Army PRO looked at it and dumped it in a bucket of fresh water with the comment "Well, it cant hurt, and it may help".

[Old Tanker]

Nope, about a decade ago they managed to have one sink in the middle of the Swan River in Perth with members of the media on board.  When they fished the news camera out the local Army PRO looked at it and dumped it in a bucket of fresh water with the comment "Well, it cant hurt, and it may help".

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Having riden in water about twice in a Gavin I was convinced that it was going to sink everytime. They don't have much freeboard leading one to believe it's going to ride straight to the bottom as it enters.

[Captain Hurricane]

Sorry to disappoint Sparky & co but the ex-NZ Army M113 fleet (ca 50 vehicles all up) is being cut up for scrap as the US State Department won't allow the NZ Army to sell them off to private companies/individuals under conditions included in the original purchase agreement signed in 1969.

 

Each vehicle has a certificate of destruction signed off by a NZDF officer who witnesses the demolition. About 5 - 10 M113's have avoided the cutters by being donated to the Army Museum at Waiouru.

 

There was a small article in the middle of the local paper last week about this but doesn't seem to have made the online articles section on the Stuff website.

 

M113's have been replaced in NZ Army by the LAV III

 

Cheers

CH

[Marek Tucan]

M113's have been replaced in NZ Army by the LAV III 

 

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Nooooo! LAV III Truck Death Trap

[TonyE]

Nooooo! LAV III Truck Death Trap  

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LAV IIIs aren`t even real Stryker truck death traps, just wannabes, which is even worse!!!!

[kaikaun]

In all seriousness though is there currently any vehicle on the market / drawing board that offers similar to the 113 in terms of support vehicles ie a large troop carrying armoured vehicle? Everything these days seems to carry a section or less.

 

Is it an issue?

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A trend I see nowadays is to have two specialized vehicles perform the M113's old role. A compact, heavily armored IFV or HAPC to deliver infantry into combat, and a large lightly armored APC or ATTC (e.g. Bv206, BvS10) to serve as mortar carriers, command vehicles, ambulances, troop transports, etc behind the front line. Most ATTCs have even more internal volume than the M113.

[shep854]

It's a joke. There's *always* room for one more, everybody just breathe in.

 

David

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Nope. Everybody breathe out. Those full lungs take up too much space.

[Scott Cunningham]

The M-113 is probably going to end up being the army's FCS.

[A2Keltainen]

a large lightly armored APC or ATTC (e.g. Bv206, BvS10) to serve as mortar carriers, command vehicles, ambulances, troop transports, etc behind the front line.

 

BvS 10 equipped with Patria NEMO seems to be an interesting new combination: