History of Soviet tanks

[Panzermann]

btw VDV get real T-72, so...

 

True.

 

I want to see the parachutes for these.

 

 

 

Seriously, I think they are attached so the VDV are more like a motorrifle division of the army. Most of the time they do not deploy via air drops anyway. I think they have also 2S3 attached.

[Simon Tan]

Sprut.

[Wiedzmin]

Edited October 15, 2017 by Wiedzmin

[Blunt Eversmoke]

 

btw VDV get real T-72, so...

 

True.

 

I want to see the parachutes for these.

 

 

 

Seriously, I think they are attached so the VDV are more like a motorrifle division of the army. Most of the time they do not deploy via air drops anyway. I think they have also 2S3 attached.

 

Given the current Russian attempts to push remotely-controlled UGVs into service, in ten, twenty years or so we might very well see a VDV equipped with UGVs in the weight range of current parachute-deployed vehicles with maximum emphasis put into firepower and the rest of the weight into armor protection.

Since the VDV in their ideal(yeeeees, I know ) modus operandi are supposed to be parachuted quite a way behind enemy lines and so into a potentially more permissive ECM environment, it might prove a viably way around losses among crews of vehicles tasked with direct fire support AND losses of those vehicles themselves, at the same time.

Edited October 15, 2017 by Blunt Eversmoke

[Panzermann]

When and where have these photgraphs been taken?

 

I bet on 1990 or 91 in Germany, but may well be surprised.

[DKTanker]

 

When and where have these photgraphs been taken?

 

I bet on 1990 or 91 in Germany, but may well be surprised.

 

Could have been the 1970s or 80s. The picture of the M60A1 and T-54 is almost certainly pre-1980. In any case, the US Army had enough T-54/T-55s and T-62s to have them at Ft. Knox, Ft. Hood, and Grafenwoehr prior to 1982. Those are just what I saw pre-1989.

[Ken Estes]

I rode a T-62 at Aberdeen in 1975; they also had a BMP-1.

[Jim Warford]

I rode in a T-62 at Fort Hood in 1978...my first tank ride. The OPFOR detachment at Graf included a T-62, T-54/55, BMP-1, and PT-76 in 1980...

 

From 1977:

 

[KV7]

I wonder what the 'How to fight the T-64/72' video would have looked like for M60 crews.

Edited October 17, 2017 by KV7

[GARGEAN]

I wonder what the 'How to fight the T-64/72' video would have looked like for M60 crews.

Well, it would last for about 12 seconds I think.

[Panzermann]

I rode in a T-62 at Fort Hood in 1978...my first tank ride. The OPFOR detachment at Graf included a T-62, T-54/55, BMP-1, and PT-76 in 1980...

hmm, Grafenwöhr could have been the place where a Leopard 1 and T-62 (it is one right?) may have met during the cold war.

[DKTanker]

 

I rode in a T-62 at Fort Hood in 1978...my first tank ride. The OPFOR detachment at Graf included a T-62, T-54/55, BMP-1, and PT-76 in 1980...

hmm, Grafenwöhr could have been the place where a Leopard 1 and T-62 (it is one right?) may have met during the cold war.

 

 

 

I rode in a T-62 at Fort Hood in 1978...my first tank ride. The OPFOR detachment at Graf included a T-62, T-54/55, BMP-1, and PT-76 in 1980...

hmm, Grafenwöhr could have been the place where a Leopard 1 and T-62 (it is one right?) may have met during the cold war.

 

Could be, Bundeswehr units would sometimes do gunnery at Graf. It's as likely that the T-62, yes it is, could have been on loan to the Bundeswehr, or outright owned by the BRD.

[methos]

West-Germany tested a T-62 tank (captured by Israel) before December of 1977.

[MikeKiloPapa]

 

I wonder what the 'How to fight the T-64/72' video would have looked like for M60 crews.

Well, it would last for about 12 seconds I think.

Ah...come on...the T-64 isn't THAT bad...give yourself some credit man

[KV7]

 

 

I wonder what the 'How to fight the T-64/72' video would have looked like for M60 crews.

Well, it would last for about 12 seconds I think.

Ah...come on...the T-64 isn't THAT bad...give yourself some credit man

 

Perhaps it is a bit like this:

 

Section 1: How to use smoke to conceal your tank

 

Section 2: How to engage the reverse gear

 

Section 3: What to do when your tank is on fire

 

Section 4: How to stay alive after bailing

 

 

[alejandro_]

T-80B from 576th Tank Regiment, 1980s East Germany.

 

[MikeKiloPapa]

 

 

 

I wonder what the 'How to fight the T-64/72' video would have looked like for M60 crews.

Well, it would last for about 12 seconds I think.

Ah...come on...the T-64 isn't THAT bad...give yourself some credit man

 

Perhaps it is a bit like this:

 

Section 1: How to use smoke to conceal your tank

 

Section 2: How to engage the reverse gear

 

Section 3: What to do when your tank is on fire

 

Section 4: How to stay alive after bailing

 

 

 

Well..there was supposed to be a smiley at the end of my post....but TankNet ate it !....meaning it was mostly in jest.

 

For what its worth i tend to agree that a M60A1 with APDS would have had a hard time against the T-64/ T-72s ( as would the contemporary Leo 1 and AMX-30) .

The M60A3 with APFSDS ammo( from about 78' onward ) considerably less so.

 

Anywho :

[shep854]

This gives 'Getting under the guns' a chilling reality.

[Adam Peter]

PzGr39 vs. KV-1 Pinterest link

[wlewisiii]

 

I wonder what the 'How to fight the T-64/72' video would have looked like for M60 crews.

Well, it would last for about 12 seconds I think.

Nah, it was a reprint of "How to Fight the Tiger in Your M4A3E8"

[Dark_Falcon]

 

 

I wonder what the 'How to fight the T-64/72' video would have looked like for M60 crews.

Well, it would last for about 12 seconds I think.

Nah, it was a reprint of "How to Fight the Tiger in Your M4A3E8"

 

 

Well, that at least was possible with HVAP or a flank shot.

[GARGEAN]

 

 

 

 

I wonder what the 'How to fight the T-64/72' video would have looked like for M60 crews.

Well, it would last for about 12 seconds I think.

Nah, it was a reprint of "How to Fight the Tiger in Your M4A3E8"

Well, that at least was possible with HVAP or a flank shot.

Flank shots are perfectly possible with M60 against T-72(hell, even T-55 against M1A2). Other question is reliability of that kind of tactics.

[Hakka]

 

 

 

 

I wonder what the 'How to fight the T-64/72' video would have looked like for M60 crews.

Well, it would last for about 12 seconds I think.

Nah, it was a reprint of "How to Fight the Tiger in Your M4A3E8"

Well, that at least was possible with HVAP or a flank shot.

Flank shots are perfectly possible with M60 against T-72(hell, even T-55 against M1A2). Other question is reliability of that kind of tactics.

 

 

It's interesting that the shape of the Soviet T-tank turrets make it very likely for flank shots to not hit the side of the turret but the front cheeks.

[KV7]

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder what the 'How to fight the T-64/72' video would have looked like for M60 crews.

Well, it would last for about 12 seconds I think.

Nah, it was a reprint of "How to Fight the Tiger in Your M4A3E8"

Well, that at least was possible with HVAP or a flank shot.

Flank shots are perfectly possible with M60 against T-72(hell, even T-55 against M1A2). Other question is reliability of that kind of tactics.

 

 

It's interesting that the shape of the Soviet T-tank turrets make it very likely for flank shots to not hit the side of the turret but the front cheeks.

 

Yeah, probably it would be best to aim a little low and try to get the hull.

[Harkonnen]

T-95 patent (in russ)

http://btvtinfo.blogspot.nl/2017/10/195.html