FITZ Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 The general consensus tent towards what I had indicated on Post #150. I have yet to find any reliable source that states definitively that there was no change in the pylon ratings from the F-16A to F-16C. With all that said, you could still very well be correct. [i am still looking through some of my older books]FlyingCanOpener seems to care very much.265590[/snapback] The source I gave, published in 1983 (pre-C/D) gave pylon ratings for the A/B models that are the same as those given from by Jane's for the C/D models to this day. Therefore, it would seem there was no change in pylon ratings between the A and C models. If it happened, it was during the A model production run. Some of the pylon loadings in older references are given at 9g, others at 5.5g, which could certainly add to the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrikin Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Exactly. Those pylon ratings are almost certainly intended to give flexibility in loading, not to use them all to maximum load at the same time. One thing to remember is that we don't actually know exactly how much a Typhoon can take off weighing. The quoted maximum T/O weight looks low for an aircraft with that wing area & thrust. Same with the payload. It's less than estimates of the sum of the pylon ratings - which are only estimates, since official figures have not been published. BTW, the currently quoted max T/O weight minus empty weight & internal fuel gives a residual of about 7000 kg.265585[/snapback] Remember the lovely line that F/A-18s couldn't accelerate vertically up. A little canard that went by the boards after they toss bombed Benghazi in '86. From my experience a lot of equipment enters service capable of more than the published figures, but a lot also enters subject to manufacturers' bragging and senior Service personnel talking up capabilities to gain funding. So I think any early published figures are swings and roundabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Engstrom Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 265134[/snapback]ECKY-THUMP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 During the flight test program a number of interesting loads were tried which were probably never actually used operationally.265401[/snapback] Yes, some of those loadouts featured on early model kits of the F-16A! The 24x Mk82 loadout in particular would have been useful for bombing the Russians as they overran your airfield! I'm curious about the mention of the Mk83 because, AFAIK, the USAF never used this 1000lb class bomb - it was (and is) mainly used by the USN. The first 1000lb class weapon in widespread use since the Korean War period will be the 1000lb JDAM for the F-22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FITZ Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Yes, some of those loadouts featured on early model kits of the F-16A! The 24x Mk82 loadout in particular would have been useful for bombing the Russians as they overran your airfield! I'm curious about the mention of the Mk83 because, AFAIK, the USAF never used this 1000lb class bomb - it was (and is) mainly used by the USN. The first 1000lb class weapon in widespread use since the Korean War period will be the 1000lb JDAM for the F-22.265739[/snapback] I have a number of photo's taken of F-16's during ODS clearly showing Mk 83 payloads, where they seemed to typically carry 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I have a number of photo's taken of F-16's during ODS clearly showing Mk 83 payloads, where they seemed to typically carry 2.265744[/snapback] I've seen plenty pics of them in ODS with two Mk84 - not Mk83 though. Can you post the pics? I'm sure they'd be of itnerest to Slater! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swerve Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Just read the latest JDW. Some bloke at the Saudi embassy here (defence attache? Can't remember) said he expected the total Typhoon order to be for about 72 aircraft, with the option of buying more later. Article suggests that BAes successful support contracts, & good training of Saudis to do their own support, were significant factors in choosing the Typhoon over Rafale. BAe is seen as a good, reliable, trustworthy supplier by the Saudis. I wonder what weapons they'll put on them? Storm Shadow? The Saudis are interested in range - does this mean development of the conformal fuel tanks will get a kick up the arse? I haven't heard anything about them for a while. BTW, interesting article about the Brazilian air force in there as well. The last Mirage III just retired, leaving their air defence in the hands of F-5Es until the Mirage 2000s start arriving later this year. Brazilian air force spokesman said they intend to fit the R-Darter AAM to the Mirage 2000s, & the head of the new fighter procurement programme said he thought the Rafale was the most likely next fighter. Sounds as if they're more or less merging their AAM development programmes with South Africas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superfractal Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 The whole f-16 v typhoon debate is over my head. But very interesting none the less, has anyone thought of checking out http://www.eurofighter.com/Typhoon/SwingRole/ For some useful information. However as the official eurofighter website it may be biased. oh and hello everyone i appologise for just jumping in, but ive been following this thread for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pfcem Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 oh and hello everyone i appologise for just jumping in, but ive been following this thread for some time.265860[/snapback]Strap yourself in & hang on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swerve Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 oh and hello everyone i appologise for just jumping in, but ive been following this thread for some time. Welcome! But be ready to dive for cover. Mr Cooks unofficial site is also interesting - http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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