Jim Warford Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Here are a few for starters: 1) Arjun's 120mm APFSDS round 2) Indian 125mm rounds 3) Polish 125mm APFSDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davin Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Nice photos!The Polish 125mm APFSDS round seems a new round.It didn't looks like original Russian 125mm rounds.Is it indigenous or cooperation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 2) Indian 125mm rounds http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5305/in...5mmammo13uz.jpg234377[/snapback] Funny that a M1 and a M113 are on the Photo in the background, as neither uses such ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harkonnen Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Funny that a M1 and a M113 are on the Photo in the background, as neither uses such ammo. 234636[/snapback] The ammo is designed to be used on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davin Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 The ammo is designed to be used on them 234702[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Przezdzieblo Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Nice photos!The Polish 125mm APFSDS round seems a new round.It didn't looks like original Russian 125mm rounds.Is it indigenous or cooperation?234413[/snapback] Because it is new one. (that projectile on the left) Developed by WITU, made by ZPS Pionki (former Pronit) with cooperation FPS Bolechowo. Data: penetrator diameter: 25 mmprojectile mass: 7,6 kgpenetrator mass: 3,65 kgmuzzle velocity: 1650m/smedium max. pressure of fumes *: about or less than 444 MPapenetration at 2000 m: more than 500 mm RHAe Previous round (at tankfan pages so called "Pronit APFSDS") probably used importet Israeli rods. But the new one is really new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davin Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 The new round seems has a better penetration than Russian 3BM-32.Its sabot shape looks specially,I like the style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Cunningham Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Good looking HE round. Wonder why the US cant manage to make one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warford Posted October 17, 2005 Author Share Posted October 17, 2005 ...two more rounds: the "Super 76" 76mm APFSDS version of the "Super 75" used by Taiwan for their M41Ds; and the US M900A1 APFSDS round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth P. Katz Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 How is the M900A1 different from the M900?When did the M900A1 enter service?Is the M900 and M900A1 really able to be used by the older tanks? I thought it needs an improved gun to handle the high pressure, which was only fitted to some late model Abrams with the 105mm gun. ... the US M900A1 APFSDS round.235740[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djuice Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Doesnt the penetator seem aint small? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfa Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 This link lot of details about the Arjun Main Gun http://www.drdo.com/pub/techfocus/feb02/arjun.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfa Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 This link lot of details about the Arjun Main Gun http://www.drdo.com/pub/techfocus/feb02/arjun.htm235829[/snapback] Some more details about Arjun FSAPDS Length 944 mm Weight 20.2 kg Propellant charge weight 8.3kg Type NQ/M Projectile weight 6.8kg MV 1650m/s L/D Ratio 18 Slipping band to reduce spin Claimed performance is ability to defeat single, double, triple heavy NATO standard target at 5000m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harkonnen Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 105 mm ound - right, and a round unknown to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallaby bob Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 ...two more rounds: the "Super 76" 76mm APFSDS version of the "Super 75" used by Taiwan for their M41Ds; and the US M900A1 APFSDS round. 235740[/snapback] Whilst we're on Uranium sabotted penetrators I have a somewhat idle question. Do those nations which have a small OR non-existant nuclear industry save the expense of producing "depleted" uranium and simply produce rounds containing both U235 and U238? A lot of money saved and not a lot of extra radioactivity. WB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorka L. Martinez-Mezo Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Speaking of tank ammo..... I have just come to know the Spanish Army has decided on the Israeli IMI CL-3143 120mm APFSDS round versus the German DM53/63 series for the Leopardo 2E (and I suppose the Leopard 2A4 replacing the old DM23/DM33 currently in use). Can anybody (Jim?) provide any info on this round? Looks like there aren`t lots of info available.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harkonnen Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 (edited) Speaking of tank ammo..... I have just come to know the Spanish Army has decided on the Israeli IMI CL-3143 120mm APFSDS round versus the German DM53/63 series for the Leopardo 2E (and I suppose the Leopard 2A4 replacing the old DM23/DM33 currently in use). Can anybody (Jim?) provide any info on this round? Looks like there aren`t lots of info available....240841[/snapback] Israeli 120 mm rounds for Mk3 Baz Edited October 30, 2005 by Harkonnen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davin Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Israeli 120 mm rounds for Mk3 Baz 241007[/snapback]Does some body has the penetration data of Israeli 120 mm APFSDS rounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warford Posted December 28, 2005 Author Share Posted December 28, 2005 ...and some more: 1) South Korean 120mm rounds2) 115mm APFSDS penetrators scattered about3) Ammo cache in Afghanistan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warford Posted December 30, 2005 Author Share Posted December 30, 2005 ...Swiss 120mm training ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 ...Swiss 120mm training ammo. 264072[/snapback] So... How much would a penetrator cost? Just to put on the mantel... NOT DU! just a penetrator. oh well, I probably couldn't afford much more than a cup of coffee right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davin Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Unknown non-Russian 125mm APFSDS round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djuice Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Type-86 Caliber: 100 mmMuzzle velocityTungsten-alloy APFSDS: 1610 m/secMaximum rangeHE: 13500 mPoint-blank rangeTungsten-alloy APFSDS: 1800mHEAT: 1050mRate of fire: 8 ~ 10 rds/minPenetrationTungsten-alloy APFSDS(at the range of 1500 m): 150 mm/65°HEAT: 120 mm/65°Traverse: 52°Elevation: -4°~ + 38°Dimensions in traveling positionLength: 9520 mmWidth: 2188 mmHeight: 1838 mmTotal weight In traveling position: 3660 kgIn firing position: 3610 kgWeights of complete roundTungsten-alloy APFSDS: 14.88 kgWeight of projectileTungsten-alloy APFSDS: 5.30 kg Type-56 85-mm Caliber:85 mmMuzzle velocity (HE shell, Full charge): 793 m/secMaximum range: 15,650 mPoint-black range(HE shell, Full charge): 950 mElevation: -7°~ + 35°Traverse: 54°Total weight in firing position: 1,725 kgsRate of fire: 15 ~ 20 rds/minRoad speedOn asphalt pavement: 60 km/hrOn country road: 35 km/hrCross county: 15 km/hrTime to emplace: 40 ~ 60 sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djuice Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/weapon/125.html Experimental shaped-charge shell Until today - this is the only projectile in the world with the tandem arrangement of two shaped charges, which ensures the addition of penetration from each of the charges. In the antitank missile [ATGM] there are no special problems associated with make a tandem warhead. There are vital differences between projectiles and rockets [PTUR] – firing acceleration load, the thickness of projectile housing, the overall size of the warhead and, as a result, fundamentally different conditions to the coordination of operations of two shaped charges. The characteristics, given below in the table, do not have analogs among the projectiles of similar designation and class - until today this type of projectile simply did not exist. Suffice it to say that the development of this projectile to its logical and practical completion was conducted more than 10 years, were obtained more than 50 author's certificates of invention. Many scientific, technical, technological problems were solved. For the first time projectile was demonstrated on the exhibition of armaments in Abu- Dhabi in 1994. The development of this unique projectile was executed in Institute of Applied Physics under the direct management of professor, academician OF ATN RF, premier state laureate of the USSR, General Director and Creator of this Institute V. F. Minina. It is interesting to note that, until now, in the highly respected western publications such as the reference book “Jane's”, different releases have presented various explanations about the principles of the work of this projectile As far as we know, there does not exist in the world a similar development. The experimental shaped-charge shell is intended for the defeat of the armored equipment equipped with the built-in and attached explosive reactive armor. The projectile is compatible with the smooth-bore tank guns of the caliber of 125 mm (2A46M, 2A46M-1) and with systems of aiming and the automated loading. The basic special feature of the projectile is the tandem arrangement of two main cumulative charges, which increases armor penetration in sequential effect. [NOTE: There is also a small tip charge to detonate explosive reactive armor.] Fundamental tactical-technical characteristics Projectile Caliber: 125mmProjectile Mass: 19kgEffective Firing Range: 1010mMaximum Firing Range: 4000mPenetration: 700-800mm RHAePenetration at 60 degrees from normal: 350-400mm RHAeArmor penetration against armor enhanced by explosive reactive armorIntegrated ERA: 300-330mm RHAeAdd-On Modular ERA: 320-350mm RHAe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 VERY interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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