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Nice photos!

The Polish 125mm APFSDS round seems a new round.

It didn't looks like original Russian 125mm rounds.

Is it indigenous or cooperation?

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Because it is new one.

 

(that projectile on the left)

 

 

Developed by WITU, made by ZPS Pionki (former Pronit) with cooperation FPS Bolechowo. Data:

penetrator diameter: 25 mm

projectile mass: 7,6 kg

penetrator mass: 3,65 kg

muzzle velocity: 1650m/s

medium max. pressure of fumes *: about or less than 444 MPa

penetration at 2000 m: more than 500 mm RHAe

 

Previous round (at tankfan pages so called "Pronit APFSDS") probably used importet Israeli rods. But the new one is really new ;)

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How is the M900A1 different from the M900?

When did the M900A1 enter service?

Is the M900 and M900A1 really able to be used by the older tanks? I thought it needs an improved gun to handle the high pressure, which was only fitted to some late model Abrams with the 105mm gun.

 

... the US M900A1 APFSDS round.

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This link lot of details about the Arjun Main Gun

 

http://www.drdo.com/pub/techfocus/feb02/arjun.htm

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Some more details about Arjun FSAPDS

 

Length 944 mm

 

Weight 20.2 kg

 

Propellant charge weight 8.3kg Type NQ/M

 

Projectile weight 6.8kg

 

MV 1650m/s

 

L/D Ratio 18

 

Slipping band to reduce spin

 

Claimed performance is ability to defeat single, double, triple heavy NATO standard target at 5000m

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...two more rounds: the "Super 76" 76mm APFSDS version of the "Super 75" used by Taiwan for their M41Ds; and the US M900A1 APFSDS round.

 

 

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Whilst we're on Uranium sabotted penetrators I have a somewhat idle question. Do those nations which have a small OR non-existant nuclear industry save the expense of producing "depleted" uranium and simply produce rounds containing both U235 and U238? A lot of money saved and not a lot of extra radioactivity. WB

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Speaking of tank ammo.....

 

I have just come to know the Spanish Army has decided on the Israeli IMI CL-3143 120mm APFSDS round versus the German DM53/63 series for the Leopardo 2E (and I suppose the Leopard 2A4 replacing the old DM23/DM33 currently in use).

 

Can anybody (Jim?) provide any info on this round? Looks like there aren`t lots of info available....

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Speaking of tank ammo.....

 

I have just come to know the Spanish Army has decided on the Israeli IMI CL-3143 120mm APFSDS round versus the German DM53/63 series for the Leopardo 2E (and I suppose the Leopard 2A4 replacing the old DM23/DM33 currently in use).

 

Can anybody (Jim?) provide any info on this round? Looks like there aren`t lots of info available....

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Israeli 120 mm rounds for Mk3 Baz

 

 

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...Swiss 120mm training ammo.

 

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So...

 

How much would a penetrator cost? Just to put on the mantel...

 

 

NOT DU! :) just a penetrator.

 

 

oh well, I probably couldn't afford much more than a cup of coffee right now. :(

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Type-86

 

Caliber: 100 mm

Muzzle velocity

Tungsten-alloy APFSDS: 1610 m/sec

Maximum range

HE: 13500 m

Point-blank range

Tungsten-alloy APFSDS: 1800m

HEAT: 1050m

Rate of fire: 8 ~ 10 rds/min

Penetration

Tungsten-alloy APFSDS(at the range of 1500 m): 150 mm/65°

HEAT: 120 mm/65°

Traverse: 52°

Elevation: -4°~ + 38°

Dimensions in traveling position

Length: 9520 mm

Width: 2188 mm

Height: 1838 mm

Total weight

In traveling position: 3660 kg

In firing position: 3610 kg

Weights of complete round

Tungsten-alloy APFSDS: 14.88 kg

Weight of projectile

Tungsten-alloy APFSDS: 5.30 kg

 

 

 

 

Type-56 85-mm

 

Caliber:85 mm

Muzzle velocity (HE shell, Full charge): 793 m/sec

Maximum range: 15,650 m

Point-black range(HE shell, Full charge): 950 m

Elevation: -7°~ + 35°

Traverse: 54°

Total weight in firing position: 1,725 kgs

Rate of fire: 15 ~ 20 rds/min

Road speed

On asphalt pavement: 60 km/hr

On country road: 35 km/hr

Cross county: 15 km/hr

Time to emplace: 40 ~ 60 sec

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Experimental shaped-charge shell

 

Until today - this is the only projectile in the world with the tandem arrangement of two shaped charges, which ensures the addition of penetration from each of the charges. In the antitank missile [ATGM] there are no special problems associated with make a tandem warhead. There are vital differences between projectiles and rockets [PTUR] – firing acceleration load, the thickness of projectile housing, the overall size of the warhead and, as a result, fundamentally different conditions to the coordination of operations of two shaped charges.

 

The characteristics, given below in the table, do not have analogs among the projectiles of similar designation and class - until today this type of projectile simply did not exist. Suffice it to say that the development of this projectile to its logical and practical completion was conducted more than 10 years, were obtained more than 50 author's certificates of invention. Many scientific, technical, technological problems were solved. For the first time projectile was demonstrated on the exhibition of armaments in Abu- Dhabi in 1994.

 

The development of this unique projectile was executed in Institute of Applied Physics under the direct management of professor, academician OF ATN RF, premier state laureate of the USSR, General Director and Creator of this Institute V. F. Minina.

 

It is interesting to note that, until now, in the highly respected western publications such as the reference book “Jane's”, different releases have presented various explanations about the principles of the work of this projectile As far as we know, there does not exist in the world a similar development.

 

The experimental shaped-charge shell is intended for the defeat of the armored equipment equipped with the built-in and attached explosive reactive armor.

 

The projectile is compatible with the smooth-bore tank guns of the caliber of 125 mm (2A46M, 2A46M-1) and with systems of aiming and the automated loading.

 

The basic special feature of the projectile is the tandem arrangement of two main cumulative charges, which increases armor penetration in sequential effect. [NOTE: There is also a small tip charge to detonate explosive reactive armor.]

 

Fundamental tactical-technical characteristics

 

Projectile Caliber: 125mm

Projectile Mass: 19kg

Effective Firing Range: 1010m

Maximum Firing Range: 4000m

Penetration: 700-800mm RHAe

Penetration at 60 degrees from normal: 350-400mm RHAe

Armor penetration against armor enhanced by explosive reactive armor

Integrated ERA: 300-330mm RHAe

Add-On Modular ERA: 320-350mm RHAe

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