Matt Urbanski Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Hmm.. if this is a bundle of sticks around an axe, I don't see it.205472[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob B Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Here is a link with photos of a fasce: http://www.legionxxiv.org/fasces%20page/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Moran Posted August 10, 2005 Author Share Posted August 10, 2005 Here is a link with photos of a fasce: http://www.legionxxiv.org/fasces%20page/205497[/snapback] Aaaaahhhh...... NTM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNredleg Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 (edited) Hmm.. if this is a bundle of sticks around an axe, I don't see it. NTM Maybe this will help. EDIT: Isn't anyone working today? Edited August 10, 2005 by ABNredleg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Whitley Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 ??? Medieval+Spain don't go into the same phrase What flag is that?, I reckon my ignorance...205486[/snapback] Wikipedia actually says that it's the flag of New Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Wikipedia actually says that it's the flag of New Spain.205531[/snapback] But then it's not medieval. That's the Borgogne cross, which was used from 1506. Here you have a short history: http://217.127.34.207/banderae.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Whitley Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Yeah, medieval was a bad choice of words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingCanOpener Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 For the US, the first Navy a/c insignia was an anchor. The US Army's first markings were red stars. When we went to France in 1917, we adopted a roundel so we would be familiar to Franco-British a/c. The roundel was red on the outside, blue in the middle ring, and white in the center - which was the roundel of the Imperial Russian Air Service. So we "borrowed" the Russian insignia, and the Soviets took our red star. Dutch insignia was an Orange triangle, for the House of Orange. Belgium used roundels, IIRC in yellow, green, and black.205420[/snapback] When I was at the National Museum of Naval Aviation in June, they have a plane (don't remember which one though) from WW1 that has the American roundel with a anchor behind it to denote it was a navy plane, much like the roundel used by the French Aeronavale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Glad to be of help--as you know, I live but to serve... Holy sh*t, Jim ... I've been looking for a site like that for-ever. Apparently I made the mistake of Googling different variations of "National Insignia", instead of using roundel. This is going to be a big help to me in my hobby (I've posted the link over on the modeller's forum). Thanks! --Garth205464[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPMG Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 We took the roundel we used for WW1 and WW2 and replaced the red inner dot with a red Maple leaf.205199[/snapback]New Zealand has red Kiwi, and Australia has a red Kangaro. Just to be originale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hojutsuka Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 The three crowns is a symbol for Sweden that dates from medieval times. It has nothing particular to do with us being a monarchy.205400[/snapback]I thought that the Tre Kroner stood for the crowns of Sweden, Denmark, and Norway? Hojutsuka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJE Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 I thought that the Tre Kroner stood for the crowns of Sweden, Denmark, and Norway? Hojutsuka205896[/snapback]No, they stand for the three kings that visited Jesus in Betlehem. Appearantly a common symbol during the Medieval and pure coincidence that they ended up as the symbol for Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldsteel Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 New Zealand has red Kiwi, and Australia has a red Kangaroo. Just to be original 205810[/snapback] Yes, but those are of an obvious origin. Those used by some countries don't have an immediate association with the country and yet are still used! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 A note on the US and Commonwealth Roundels in the pacific, apparently, the circular shape was even sufficiently confusing to require the addition of the bands to either side of the roundel (or star). That's why you see some examples of the banding even on Pacific Theatre Fleet Air Arm Aircraft. http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/...oyaume_uni.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Hubers Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 It has no particular meaning aside from being in the Polish national colors - it was picked (one Polish pilot was using it in 1919 - without the border, at that point - as his personal symbol, someone in charge saw it and liked it) because it's distinctive and easy to paint. 205422[/snapback]That's the old Polish roundel you've illustrated. Since around 1995 (although it could well be 1989 officially), the colours have reversed. So the upper left square is White, the upper right one is Red. Someone seriously thought that the upper-right square in red might be mistaken for socialist symphaties. Dutch insignia was an Orange triangle, for the House of Orange. Belgium used roundels, IIRC in yellow, green, and black.205420[/snapback]The Dutch only used the triangle for a very, very short time and it never was the official roundel. That's a circle with three pie-parts in red, white and blue with an orange dot in the center. Belgium's roundel is red, yellow, black (going inward). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Urbanski Posted August 29, 2005 Share Posted August 29, 2005 That's the old Polish roundel you've illustrated. Since around 1995 (although it could well be 1989 officially), the colours have reversed. So the upper left square is White, the upper right one is Red. Someone seriously thought that the upper-right square in red might be mistaken for socialist symphaties. 213897[/snapback] Yeah, I know. It's idiotic considering the history of the insignia, and I'm ignoring it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Cunningham Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Nick, is that a B-36 engine poking out of the corner of that model plane pic (I still have your boots, what do you want me to do with these?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Moran Posted September 1, 2005 Author Share Posted September 1, 2005 Damned good question. Might have to go back to the mail thing after all. We just never seem to be in the same place at the same time. NTM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Moran Posted September 1, 2005 Author Share Posted September 1, 2005 I think it's the same scale... NTM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentin Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 New Zealand has red Kiwi, and Australia has a red Kangaro. Just to be originale 205810[/snapback]I find it amusing that the Kiwi – a flightless bird – is depicted on an Air Force roundel. quentin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 I find it rather appropriate, since they no longer have an Air Force. I find it amusing that the Kiwi – a flightless bird – is depicted on an Air Force roundel. quentin215296[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentin Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 I find it rather appropriate, since they no longer have an Air Force. 215305[/snapback]I thought they only scrapped their fixed-wing aircraft... quentin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krishna_jj Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Gents this is 1 of my favorite topics - I can recommend a great book which describes the roundels , origins and history : Military aircraft insignia of the world by Cochrane pub by Airlife in 1998 - sadly second edition is pending for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickshaw Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 I thought they only scrapped their fixed-wing aircraft... quentin215928[/snapback] They still fly P-3s and C-130s. They have scrapped their fighter element, not their complete fixed-wing complement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swerve Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 (edited) Removed for repetitiveness Edited September 6, 2005 by swerve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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