Dame Karmen

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Hi Archie, so pleased to make your acquaintance Anonymity can be a good thing sometimes .............

PS: I don't completely remember the whole story behind that A'Stan happening, but I do remember thinking the story of how it happened sounded hinky or something. Something ain't right here, sorta thing ...

You are quite welcome! I don't think it was much different then than today in principal. Depending on the offence and how his commanding officer wants to procede, there are two levels of military trials today. A summary trial can be conducted by a company commander. He can, up to a certain limit and I've forgotten what it was, give out fines, extra dutiers, and time in a military jaill. A court martial can give out up to the maximum listed in the book for that offence. It sounds as if a Field General Court Martial was intermediate. As for what would have happened if he had killed the other guy, I wouldn't be surprised if they sent him away to a Federal Penitentiary, like Kingston, for a while. Even today, that would be criminal negligence causing death and a Candian soldier was sentenced to four years a few months ago for accidentally killing anoher soldier in Afghanistan. http://http://www.ngnews.ca...egeneys-death/1 I don't know how I'd react to things if my child had been killed accidentally or mistakenly. I would guess it would depend on hearing every circumstance and detail about how and why it happened. No death is easy to come to terms with but in situations like this it must be a bitter pill to try and understand and come to terms with on top of the grief. A kind of death you don't expect should ever happen. Ouch. I try to imagine how my great Uncle must have felt to have been responsible for wounding a buddy probably and the shock that he could have killed the other guy with his carelessness and thank god that didn't happen I couldn't live with myself if I'd been at fault for something like that. Ouch again.

I would bet a sizable amount it is: Neglect to the Prejudice of General Orders and Instructions I forget the term, it is now known in most commonwealth militaries as 'Prejudicial Conduct' basically anything that can by act or omission bring the military into disrepute or acting with questionable conduct in general. It is a catch all along with 'Failure to comply with lawful general order' they can stab you with. I didn't notice until now that you posted while I was composing, so didn't see this until just now. Oops I'll pull the service files from the suitcase again later to see exactly the phrases they used but it was similar or like what you and R011 said ...

You said: This could be "Neglect to the Prejudice of Good Order and Discipline". (Correct ... that's what it said! ) With his weapon, I think what happened was that he "neglected" to assure it wasn't loaded before starting to clean it and a shot went off, injuring one of the other soldiers. I just checked out that link you gave me and its EXCELLENT. I'm going to save that resource for future reference!!!! Really simple to understand, even for this kid I wasn't aware there were a couple of kinds of courtsmartial processes. His was the lesser serious "trial" in the field then, and thank god the other soldier was only injured and also survived the war to get home again!!! What would have happened if the soldier had been killed when that rifle went off? Thank you!!!

Thank you so much for that!!! It really helps me understand and get a picture of how things worked. That probably was me doing a dyslexic thing when typing it up There is Court-martial for him listed in the NA Courtsmartials for Soldiers of WW1 (Archivianet) but I didn't see the term "Court Martial" mentioned anywhere in his service records, except now with your reference to the abbreviated terms I already put his service files back in the suitcase, but want to mention a couple of things. Shortly after he'd done his last punishment he was given 14 days leave to the UK, which I assume was R&R downtime, so I'm glad to know he probably had some time out to just kick back a little because ... it wasn't too much longer after that that he was KIA in the field His brother was also KIA in WW1. For the record, I searched the archives and Canadian Virtual Memorial Graves site and the wounded soldier (A Manitoban) isn't ilisted in there, so I'm glad to know he survived the injuries of the shooting accident and also survived the war, to go home ....

PS: Another entry related to last incident: A.P.M. Cage? (for detention)

Hi People, So, am reading through service files again and trying to understand and transcribe some of the writeups in simple bio info which uses some abbreviations that I don't know the meanings of. A couple of incidents by a WW1 soldier ... Left his post once without orders from his superiors and another time, in the trenches, failed to fully unload his weapon when cleaning it. It discharged one round and injured another soldier. Question marks mean I don't understand or am not able to clearly read entries. Leaving post: Tried and convicted by "F. G. M. C." ??? Sentenced to 90 days "F.P. NO1" ???? 22-6-17 ( 9th Canadian Infantry Brigade) Neglecting procedures and someone hurt - (the Private and his service number is included. No mentions of how badly injured or anything) 4-2-18 Tried and convicted by F. G. C. M. of Wh on H. S. Neglect to the Pr?? of ?? G. O. I? 17.Q? Sentenced to 40 days "F. P. # 1"??? (43rd Canadian Infantry Brigade) Several months after the last incident, back in the field, he was wounded in the face and hand - "GSW" (gun shot wounds???) Any help appreciated A

Camera now moved a few feet away from computer. Will wait and see what happens. Thanks APF

The weirdest thing. My digital camera, a Kodak one shot, turned off at all times, turns itself on and then off again, often, when I'm online!!! Spooky. It's on my desk where my computer sits and it never does that when my computer is completely turned off. And nope, I don't have the software installed in my computer and the cam isn't connected to it. Do I have a poltergeist or ????????????????

While doing geneology searches I came across this interesting old obituary from 1956 of this Canadian born soldier and VC winner, Brig. Sinton, R.I.P. *Obit VC (Victoria Cross) recipient Brig. SINTON 1956 WFP Obit WFP March 27, 1956 page 14 Canadian-Born Brig. Sinton V. C. Dies In Ireland COOKSTOWN. Northern Ireland (Reuters) – Brigadier John Alexander Sinton, distinguished Canadian-born soldier-doctor who won the Victoria Cross during the First World War, died at his home here Sunday. He was 71. Brig. Sinton who was born in British Columbia and was taken to Northern Ireland at the age of six, won his VC as a captain in Mesopotamia in 1916. In 1946 he was elected a fellow of the Royal Society, select body of leading British scientists.

Thanks for posting her. I didn't click the links but did listen to her singing Jesus Loves Me after reading the news today. Apparently she also sang that last night at a party or something too. She'll always be one of mine and my daughters favorites.

Came across this while browsing old news. In case anyone is interested. Lots of service records numbers to go with the names. Figured I'd post in case someones relative served in HK but they don't have the service record number and might find it here Can't read the scans but if you can get proper copies of the pages or your computer can enlarge the scans ????? Anyways, just thinking of you all in case this helps anyone. Dec 26, 1941 Wpg Tribune - page 14: http://manitobia.ca/content/en/newspapers/WPT/1941/12/26/articles/166.xml/iarchives?query=Thomas%2BAND%2BFirth

I sometimes come across old news articles related to "Exemption Tribunals". I'm just curious about how this all worked and what sorts of reasons were considered for exemptions. Just curious. Here's one 1917 article I found, just for reference here: http://manitobia.ca/content/en/newspapers/BDS/1917/11/20/articles/25.xml/iarchives?query=Hugh%2BAND%2BPruden